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<blockquote data-quote="RLR" data-source="post: 162261" data-attributes="member: 486"><p>The whole model with the ACC has been wrong from the beginning. They pretended to care about academics and focus on basketball because they couldn't compete in football. Kind of like the way Clemson fans respond to South Carolina fans during down years. Between it's inception and adding FSU, the ACC has 2 won NCAA football championships - Clemson in '81 and GT in '90. I wish there was a way to bust apart these insane restrictions barring schools from having say in what conference they belong to. </p><p></p><p>Imagine the value of a 16 team conference that included something along the lines of:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">GT</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Virginia</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Duke</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Vandy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Navy/airforce</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Stanford</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Cal Berkley</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">UCLA</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Washington</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Illinois</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Michigan</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Notre Dame</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Northwestern</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Wisconsin</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Texas</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> 100 choose 1: USC/Pitt/Ohio State/Miami/minnesota/maryland/ texas A&M/ Florida/Boston College</li> </ol><p>Should geographic proximity be a factor? I'd argue that it only benefits 4 charter schools of the ACC who have a vested interest in upper carolina. But, if college sports are about money and money is determined by TV contracts and TV contracts are determined in large part by number of viewers - then why do we waste over 25% of our membership on capturing the 27th largest U.S. TV market? Its like landing on an unowned boardwalk, but choosing to purchase a hotel on Baltimore Avenue instead of buying higher valued property. In terms of travel, what's the marginal difference to GT for flying a chartered plane to Miami/Boston vs. LA? </p><p></p><p>GT plays 5 away games this year. Clemson is the only nearby game. Duke is a 6 hour drive. UVA is 8 hours. Miami 9.5 hours. Notre Dame 11. All 4 are ACC games, all 4 are probably too far for the non-insane fan to drive. The funniest part is that all of those away schools made my new conference list (Miami a choice in the final slot). Nonetheless, my point remains - if you can't drive to away games already, why not expand GT's brand into LA, SF, Chicago, Seattle - which are the largest TV markets, commerce centers, and repositories of tech talent.</p><p></p><p>The best part of my ideal league is that you finally get rid of this Ivy League SEC-effect in college rankings. Can someone please explain to me how Dartmouth is ranked 24 spots ahead of GT? Brown +15? Don't even get me started on Cornell. I'll give you the power 5 Ivys, but not over Stanford, MIT, and Cal Tech. U.S. News has the top 10 ranked in this order: (1) <strong>Princeton</strong> (2) <strong>Harvard</strong> (3) <strong>Yale</strong> (4 tie) <strong>Columbia</strong> (4 tie) Stanford (4 tie) Chicago (7) MIT (8 tie) Duke (8 tie) <strong>Penn</strong> (10) Cal Tech. How many times have we seen this grouping bias fallacy manifest itself in favor of the SEC in the top 10 rankings? No, SEC. The loser of the SEC championship game should not advance to the NC game. </p><p></p><p>I know rankings don't matter, but in terms of attracting talent, they do have an impact on shaping perception, which helps with everything from attracting applicants to improving your student job placement to networking with venture capitalists, something ATL notoriously lacks but for a few heaven-sent angels. In my league though, you create an association between 16 schools that excel in either engineering, business, law, medicine, or some combination thereof. What's the future of research? 3d printing, energy (I assume?), personalized medicine, financial security and payment technology, data analysis, cyber security, advanced computing. I like my chances of my alma mater being associated with these 16 schools. But it's more than that, like i said in my prio message, you basically have one of the largest platforms in the U.S. to advertise and launch the innovation spun off from your university. You have shared pools of entertainment money that can be used to fund high return joint research initiatives, which is only amplified by federal gov't matching funds. It's more efficient for the entire system, less the this-deuchebag-is-trying-to-make-a-billion-dollars-off-of-research-instiutions-and-unpaid-athletes-and-pay-out-as-many-hundres-of-millions-of-dollars-to-his-croonies-as-he-can-before-he-gets-arrested-JK-clearly-he'll-get-a-plea-bargin-admitting-to-no-crime-but-paying-a-large-fine delegation. </p><p></p><p>So I ask you, would you rather be aligned with the current ACC brethren Louisville, Syracuse, NC State, FSU, Clemson, Wake, the only school i hate more than UGA (UNC) OR shift the axis of power within American higher education, making millions of dollars more to join a conference of schools with better academics, in better markets, with more talented basketball, football, and law school programs - a nontrivial fact, since this deal would have more opposition than the Iran treaty.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RLR, post: 162261, member: 486"] The whole model with the ACC has been wrong from the beginning. They pretended to care about academics and focus on basketball because they couldn't compete in football. Kind of like the way Clemson fans respond to South Carolina fans during down years. Between it's inception and adding FSU, the ACC has 2 won NCAA football championships - Clemson in '81 and GT in '90. I wish there was a way to bust apart these insane restrictions barring schools from having say in what conference they belong to. Imagine the value of a 16 team conference that included something along the lines of: [LIST=1] [*]GT [*]Virginia [*]Duke [*]Vandy [*]Navy/airforce [*]Stanford [*]Cal Berkley [*]UCLA [*]Washington [*]Illinois [*]Michigan [*]Notre Dame [*]Northwestern [*]Wisconsin [*]Texas [*] 100 choose 1: USC/Pitt/Ohio State/Miami/minnesota/maryland/ texas A&M/ Florida/Boston College [/LIST] Should geographic proximity be a factor? I'd argue that it only benefits 4 charter schools of the ACC who have a vested interest in upper carolina. But, if college sports are about money and money is determined by TV contracts and TV contracts are determined in large part by number of viewers - then why do we waste over 25% of our membership on capturing the 27th largest U.S. TV market? Its like landing on an unowned boardwalk, but choosing to purchase a hotel on Baltimore Avenue instead of buying higher valued property. In terms of travel, what's the marginal difference to GT for flying a chartered plane to Miami/Boston vs. LA? GT plays 5 away games this year. Clemson is the only nearby game. Duke is a 6 hour drive. UVA is 8 hours. Miami 9.5 hours. Notre Dame 11. All 4 are ACC games, all 4 are probably too far for the non-insane fan to drive. The funniest part is that all of those away schools made my new conference list (Miami a choice in the final slot). Nonetheless, my point remains - if you can't drive to away games already, why not expand GT's brand into LA, SF, Chicago, Seattle - which are the largest TV markets, commerce centers, and repositories of tech talent. The best part of my ideal league is that you finally get rid of this Ivy League SEC-effect in college rankings. Can someone please explain to me how Dartmouth is ranked 24 spots ahead of GT? Brown +15? Don't even get me started on Cornell. I'll give you the power 5 Ivys, but not over Stanford, MIT, and Cal Tech. U.S. News has the top 10 ranked in this order: (1) [B]Princeton[/B] (2) [B]Harvard[/B] (3) [B]Yale[/B] (4 tie) [B]Columbia[/B] (4 tie) Stanford (4 tie) Chicago (7) MIT (8 tie) Duke (8 tie) [B]Penn[/B] (10) Cal Tech. How many times have we seen this grouping bias fallacy manifest itself in favor of the SEC in the top 10 rankings? No, SEC. The loser of the SEC championship game should not advance to the NC game. I know rankings don't matter, but in terms of attracting talent, they do have an impact on shaping perception, which helps with everything from attracting applicants to improving your student job placement to networking with venture capitalists, something ATL notoriously lacks but for a few heaven-sent angels. In my league though, you create an association between 16 schools that excel in either engineering, business, law, medicine, or some combination thereof. What's the future of research? 3d printing, energy (I assume?), personalized medicine, financial security and payment technology, data analysis, cyber security, advanced computing. I like my chances of my alma mater being associated with these 16 schools. But it's more than that, like i said in my prio message, you basically have one of the largest platforms in the U.S. to advertise and launch the innovation spun off from your university. You have shared pools of entertainment money that can be used to fund high return joint research initiatives, which is only amplified by federal gov't matching funds. It's more efficient for the entire system, less the this-deuchebag-is-trying-to-make-a-billion-dollars-off-of-research-instiutions-and-unpaid-athletes-and-pay-out-as-many-hundres-of-millions-of-dollars-to-his-croonies-as-he-can-before-he-gets-arrested-JK-clearly-he'll-get-a-plea-bargin-admitting-to-no-crime-but-paying-a-large-fine delegation. So I ask you, would you rather be aligned with the current ACC brethren Louisville, Syracuse, NC State, FSU, Clemson, Wake, the only school i hate more than UGA (UNC) OR shift the axis of power within American higher education, making millions of dollars more to join a conference of schools with better academics, in better markets, with more talented basketball, football, and law school programs - a nontrivial fact, since this deal would have more opposition than the Iran treaty. [/QUOTE]
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