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<blockquote data-quote="Techster" data-source="post: 911073" data-attributes="member: 360"><p>Yeah, that's not the reply you think it is.</p><p></p><p>Tommy Bowden, before he was fired in 2008, qualified for 9 straight bowl games (Clemson declined a bowl game in 2004). The previous season before he was fired, Clemson won 9 games. Bowden also had recruiting classes regularly in the top 15-20. </p><p></p><p>Clemson was 3-3 when Bowden was fired in 2008. Dabo finished the season at 4-3 (3-2 in the ACC), with a loss in the Gator Bowl. His roster was littered with guys that would later propel him to what the Clemson program is now.</p><p></p><p>Under my scenario, Key would have gone 6-2 (6-1 in the ACC). He would have done it with far less resources than Dabo, worse talent than Dabo, and a coaching staff he had to coach up along with the players. By any measure, that's a sign of a promising coach that can probably do well in a HCF capacity. So what can Key do with a staff he hand picks, more resources (as promised by Batt and Cabrera), and "his" recruits. As some fonts have mentioned, Key wasn't even allowed to call his own shots for players he had to coach. The fact that our defense has done so well WITHOUT a coach who got hired based on his Defensive Coordinator credentials tells you what the real issue was.</p><p></p><p>AGAIN, that's not saying Key would have deserved to have the job regardless of the candidates willing to take the GT job, it's a point to say you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Techster, post: 911073, member: 360"] Yeah, that's not the reply you think it is. Tommy Bowden, before he was fired in 2008, qualified for 9 straight bowl games (Clemson declined a bowl game in 2004). The previous season before he was fired, Clemson won 9 games. Bowden also had recruiting classes regularly in the top 15-20. Clemson was 3-3 when Bowden was fired in 2008. Dabo finished the season at 4-3 (3-2 in the ACC), with a loss in the Gator Bowl. His roster was littered with guys that would later propel him to what the Clemson program is now. Under my scenario, Key would have gone 6-2 (6-1 in the ACC). He would have done it with far less resources than Dabo, worse talent than Dabo, and a coaching staff he had to coach up along with the players. By any measure, that's a sign of a promising coach that can probably do well in a HCF capacity. So what can Key do with a staff he hand picks, more resources (as promised by Batt and Cabrera), and "his" recruits. As some fonts have mentioned, Key wasn't even allowed to call his own shots for players he had to coach. The fact that our defense has done so well WITHOUT a coach who got hired based on his Defensive Coordinator credentials tells you what the real issue was. AGAIN, that's not saying Key would have deserved to have the job regardless of the candidates willing to take the GT job, it's a point to say you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. [/QUOTE]
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