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<blockquote data-quote="slugboy" data-source="post: 910276" data-attributes="member: 282"><p>I’ve seen a lot of comments that just seem odd to me.</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">“If we hire a G5 coach, we’re bargain shopping to save money”: When Florida hired Urban Meyer, he was coaching at Utah in the MWC (not the PAC12 yet). He’d coached at Bowling Green before that. Lance Leipold had been at Buffalo before Kansas. They were hired because they were innovative coaches, not because they were cheap. Coaches try more new things at FCS and G5 schools. Hiring an FCS or G5 coach isn’t a bad thing, and P5 schools do that. Tennessee hired Heupel, and so on. Art Briles (not getting into the scandals here) was nearly fresh out of coaching high school when he coached Houston. Was Tennessee bargain shopping, or were they hiring the best coach?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">“Bringing coach XYZ will bring NIL money with him and 5* recruits”. I see some of this with Deion, where other NFL players and ex-players have worked NIL deals with his players, but it’s also not what we’re seeing at bigger places. NIL seems to go more with the school and the money. For example, schools like Texas A&M where you already have boosters stroking $100 million donations are where you’re seeing top 5 classes with NIL.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">“Coach XYZ recruited great to <insert school name>, he’ll do that here”. In most cases, recruiting is more tied to the school than tied to the coach. Deion might be a little different there, but normally a better recruiting coach recruits a few noches over the schools normal pecking order and a bad one several levels lower, rather than the recruiting ranking being directly tied to the personality of the coach. Also, unless we’re recruiting a player to play one year and transfer out, they still have to make academic progress here—we’re still going to have limitations even if our admissions department takes all the guardrails off, because we’ll have people fail out instead. Financial incentives were a contributing factor to getting 5* athletes even 40-50 years ago, and with NIL it’s even more the case, so while personality is nice, point #2 is going to be bigger.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">“That coach has never been a HC before”: that is also how NFL teams keep getting retreads and how Jeff Fisher kept getting jobs. In college and the NFL, the next great head coach is usually not a head coach now.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">“We’re surrounded by the best talent in the country, how hard is it to recruit that talent?”. Georgia State is also centrally located in the middle of a lot of recruiting talent. Being geographically central is not how recruiting works.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">“Coach ABC is a great recruiter, but we want someone that can coach. We just went through this with Collins”: Just because Collins was a bad HC and doesn’t mean that all good recruiters are bad head coaches. However, if recruiting is your primary virtue, that’s not a good sign. If you look at Alabama, Saban is a good recruiter, but he’s better known as a great defensive coach and well organized. Meyer was known for having an innovative offense (yes, Meyer was a “Scheme” coach). The coach I know of whose primary virtue is recruiting who surrounds himself with others to cover scheme is Mack Brown, and he’s having a hard time getting his defense built up. Even in basketball, where recruiting matters more, even the most recruiting-minded coaches are decent at scheme. Typically, a good/great coach is a good coach AND recruiter vs a good recruiter and coach—the order matters, and you need to be coach-first. </li> </ol><p>I could easily see us pick TCU’s OC Riley. Even going all in, we have to figure out what we want to be and find a fit. There’s some latitude in that—Saban seems like an odd duck to live in Tuscaloosa, but UA has adapted and so has he.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="slugboy, post: 910276, member: 282"] I’ve seen a lot of comments that just seem odd to me. [LIST=1] [*]“If we hire a G5 coach, we’re bargain shopping to save money”: When Florida hired Urban Meyer, he was coaching at Utah in the MWC (not the PAC12 yet). He’d coached at Bowling Green before that. Lance Leipold had been at Buffalo before Kansas. They were hired because they were innovative coaches, not because they were cheap. Coaches try more new things at FCS and G5 schools. Hiring an FCS or G5 coach isn’t a bad thing, and P5 schools do that. Tennessee hired Heupel, and so on. Art Briles (not getting into the scandals here) was nearly fresh out of coaching high school when he coached Houston. Was Tennessee bargain shopping, or were they hiring the best coach? [*]“Bringing coach XYZ will bring NIL money with him and 5* recruits”. I see some of this with Deion, where other NFL players and ex-players have worked NIL deals with his players, but it’s also not what we’re seeing at bigger places. NIL seems to go more with the school and the money. For example, schools like Texas A&M where you already have boosters stroking $100 million donations are where you’re seeing top 5 classes with NIL. [*]“Coach XYZ recruited great to <insert school name>, he’ll do that here”. In most cases, recruiting is more tied to the school than tied to the coach. Deion might be a little different there, but normally a better recruiting coach recruits a few noches over the schools normal pecking order and a bad one several levels lower, rather than the recruiting ranking being directly tied to the personality of the coach. Also, unless we’re recruiting a player to play one year and transfer out, they still have to make academic progress here—we’re still going to have limitations even if our admissions department takes all the guardrails off, because we’ll have people fail out instead. Financial incentives were a contributing factor to getting 5* athletes even 40-50 years ago, and with NIL it’s even more the case, so while personality is nice, point #2 is going to be bigger. [*]“That coach has never been a HC before”: that is also how NFL teams keep getting retreads and how Jeff Fisher kept getting jobs. In college and the NFL, the next great head coach is usually not a head coach now. [*]“We’re surrounded by the best talent in the country, how hard is it to recruit that talent?”. Georgia State is also centrally located in the middle of a lot of recruiting talent. Being geographically central is not how recruiting works. [*]“Coach ABC is a great recruiter, but we want someone that can coach. We just went through this with Collins”: Just because Collins was a bad HC and doesn’t mean that all good recruiters are bad head coaches. However, if recruiting is your primary virtue, that’s not a good sign. If you look at Alabama, Saban is a good recruiter, but he’s better known as a great defensive coach and well organized. Meyer was known for having an innovative offense (yes, Meyer was a “Scheme” coach). The coach I know of whose primary virtue is recruiting who surrounds himself with others to cover scheme is Mack Brown, and he’s having a hard time getting his defense built up. Even in basketball, where recruiting matters more, even the most recruiting-minded coaches are decent at scheme. Typically, a good/great coach is a good coach AND recruiter vs a good recruiter and coach—the order matters, and you need to be coach-first. [/LIST] I could easily see us pick TCU’s OC Riley. Even going all in, we have to figure out what we want to be and find a fit. There’s some latitude in that—Saban seems like an odd duck to live in Tuscaloosa, but UA has adapted and so has he. [/QUOTE]
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