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<blockquote data-quote="AE 87" data-source="post: 158892" data-attributes="member: 195"><p>Well, you're just wrong about one thing you say here. The influence of Germany within the EU is nothing close to the fascist totalitarian regime dreamed of by Hitler. It just boggles my mind how anyone could think that this is just a fact. Please explain how these situations are comparable. Have Chirac, Sarkozy and Hollande been puppets of Berlin? Is the economic influence of America also realizing a Hitler-like dream for other parts of the world? If you think the comparison is simply a fact, please explain it. </p><p> </p><p>Frankly, I find it hard to believe that if it was France in the driver seat, they'd still be talking about realizing Hitler's dream and a "Fourth Reich"? That, at least, would be a more ironic comparison if irony was the goal. No, Hitler is mentioned because it's Germany. [USER=322]@GTNavyNuke[/USER] actually said, "the culture of Germany has historically been very effective at expansion" ([USER=652]@jwsavhGT[/USER] "liked" that post, though she may unlike it now). Their practically explicit point was that German influence in the EU and especially within the current crisis with Greece is another example of German culture like that previously exemplified by Hitler. These observations weren't said in humor or good fun. They clearly reflect how they actually think. </p><p></p><p>What's sad is that anyone in 2015 can read their comments and not be offended. Still, like I said in another post, I grew up in the South during the 60's and 70's where I knew some otherwise decent people who had no idea how offensive their statements about African-American were. For them, what they said about African-Americans was just true. Now, when you talked to some of them and point out how ethnist and offensive their statements are, some would be self-reflective and realize that perhaps they did hold a bigoted perspective. Unfortunately, others would get angry with you as if taking offense at their language was your problem.</p><p></p><p>Let me take the example we discussed earlier to which you took offense, again iirc. I said people should just lighten-up and not take "fish eater" and "mackerel snapper" seriously. "Sticks and stones etc." However, if someone had said about the recent SCOTUS decisoin, "Well the Catholics on the Supreme Court actually colluded in the recent decision because they want 14th amendment rights granted to sexual orientation in order to further protect pedophile priests," that would have crossed the line into an obviously bigoted statement against Catholics. It impugns motives and evaluates actions based on a bigoted stereotype. Someone who talks like that should be called-out, imo.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AE 87, post: 158892, member: 195"] Well, you're just wrong about one thing you say here. The influence of Germany within the EU is nothing close to the fascist totalitarian regime dreamed of by Hitler. It just boggles my mind how anyone could think that this is just a fact. Please explain how these situations are comparable. Have Chirac, Sarkozy and Hollande been puppets of Berlin? Is the economic influence of America also realizing a Hitler-like dream for other parts of the world? If you think the comparison is simply a fact, please explain it. Frankly, I find it hard to believe that if it was France in the driver seat, they'd still be talking about realizing Hitler's dream and a "Fourth Reich"? That, at least, would be a more ironic comparison if irony was the goal. No, Hitler is mentioned because it's Germany. [USER=322]@GTNavyNuke[/USER] actually said, "the culture of Germany has historically been very effective at expansion" ([USER=652]@jwsavhGT[/USER] "liked" that post, though she may unlike it now). Their practically explicit point was that German influence in the EU and especially within the current crisis with Greece is another example of German culture like that previously exemplified by Hitler. These observations weren't said in humor or good fun. They clearly reflect how they actually think. What's sad is that anyone in 2015 can read their comments and not be offended. Still, like I said in another post, I grew up in the South during the 60's and 70's where I knew some otherwise decent people who had no idea how offensive their statements about African-American were. For them, what they said about African-Americans was just true. Now, when you talked to some of them and point out how ethnist and offensive their statements are, some would be self-reflective and realize that perhaps they did hold a bigoted perspective. Unfortunately, others would get angry with you as if taking offense at their language was your problem. Let me take the example we discussed earlier to which you took offense, again iirc. I said people should just lighten-up and not take "fish eater" and "mackerel snapper" seriously. "Sticks and stones etc." However, if someone had said about the recent SCOTUS decisoin, "Well the Catholics on the Supreme Court actually colluded in the recent decision because they want 14th amendment rights granted to sexual orientation in order to further protect pedophile priests," that would have crossed the line into an obviously bigoted statement against Catholics. It impugns motives and evaluates actions based on a bigoted stereotype. Someone who talks like that should be called-out, imo. [/QUOTE]
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