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<blockquote data-quote="jgtengineer" data-source="post: 838169" data-attributes="member: 3094"><p>Okay so heres how you do it honestly. You are looking to move from an option offense to a RPO right. That's the goal. Step one you need to recruit a QB right? Well the problem is most QBs are just flat out not ready as true freshman, and you have the problem of your O-line not being setup for etc basically as far as logic is concerned you legit are doign a roster turn.</p><p></p><p>Year one you run an option offense, but it looks different your still veer blocking, power blocking predicated on a power run game out of the I or single back and a pistol option game with play action. In all honestly this looks alot like Baltimore (minus the heavy reliance on veer line concepts) And you can say hey look we are running a pro offense. If it works and you win the games you should lose all the games you shouldn't and go to a bowl game well you've got extra practice. Nwo you have a base of plays you can build from, a lot of them simple power run concepts. And you land a QB recruit. You tell him look by your junior year we want to be 50/50 in passing, we have this ATL concept so what we are going to do is have you have a series of plays you practice hard and we are going to use the situationally EVERY week if we can. Think Tebow behind leak it will be great... okay sated the ego of your QB of the future? Good because you know you still need lineman lots of em.</p><p></p><p>As you recruit lineman and train them up you slowly introduce more and more pass concepts and are calling less and less option concepts, you shift to zone options, zone reads and the goal is to still control the pace of the game. But you are still doing what you are good at. And eventually we enter the next phase.</p><p></p><p>Its year three you have a QB you've been running option with and some passing that's now a Junior/seniro and you have a QB you recruited who is now a redshirt sophmore that has got a ton of reps at the passing side of things, he really knows how to read the field for the offense you want, that small cluster of plays and reads he's been using every game he's been ATL has grown to an actually offensive tree. Hell maybe even last year You had people calling all year for you to bench the option guy and play this guy whose been throwing it great and running read option concepts. He didn't have pressure on him to play great he just went out there and did. So durign spring you basically figure out that yeah the new guy is ready. you go to your option QB and say look , heres the deal. We really want to open it up and maybe make a run at a really good season you are still above the line, we are still going to have a place for you and packages, but we also want you to get reps at RB, if you want to transfer thats fine you've got your degree. But we still want you on the field (typically an option QB is one of your best athletes in general). You make your change. Hopefully he stays maybe he doesn't. But now you haven't wasted 2 years. You hopefully have some lineman you've trained up or retrained and some you've recruited and you are ready for yoru goal offense to really be implemented. Maybe you win 7-8 games. Have a good season.</p><p></p><p>Year 4 you now have a junior QB a junior/senior line, senior wide outs, senior RBs and you've slowly added your scheme over the years and you are ready to shock the ****ing world you hope.</p><p></p><p>Now heres the funny part. </p><p>Johnson tried part 2 and part 3 with Vad Lee. And in all honesty probably would have continued had Vad NOT transfered. We'd have probably seen JT as an A back and backup QB, but im not sure we'd have been better than going back to base offense in 2014, but he was trying to build up to a more passing threat. Look at Waller (had an addiction problem but can't really call that a miss of talent read) he went out and got smelter. that core of a-backs were amazing blockers but deon hill was probably as reliable as any tight end. and our line was bigger than it had been. But you don't take an amazing option QB and force him to stick in that transition when the guy you were transitioning for transfers.</p><p></p><p>Malzahn did this at auburn, before they bought newton.</p><p></p><p>Hell you could even say Kiffen and Saban did this at Alabama when alabama was transitioning to the spread from the power run. They had to retool their ENTIRE offense. They knew they had a down hill blocking o-lien that suffered in pass blocking so they got a really good series of mobile QBS so they could scramble and get off line while even alabama had to retool their o-line for the spread. Then they had a Tua. They somehow convinced hurts to stay and it gets them a championship.</p><p></p><p>Sometimes blowing up everything and installing your system day one can work (Johnson 08, mike leach at times he's hit or miss on this) But mso tof the time it doesn't especially if you are moving to something like a Pro Spread. Things that rely on mulitple sets, lots of reads. massive play charts , etc take time. And in a world like college football... you don't really have it until you are old and staying old.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jgtengineer, post: 838169, member: 3094"] Okay so heres how you do it honestly. You are looking to move from an option offense to a RPO right. That's the goal. Step one you need to recruit a QB right? Well the problem is most QBs are just flat out not ready as true freshman, and you have the problem of your O-line not being setup for etc basically as far as logic is concerned you legit are doign a roster turn. Year one you run an option offense, but it looks different your still veer blocking, power blocking predicated on a power run game out of the I or single back and a pistol option game with play action. In all honestly this looks alot like Baltimore (minus the heavy reliance on veer line concepts) And you can say hey look we are running a pro offense. If it works and you win the games you should lose all the games you shouldn't and go to a bowl game well you've got extra practice. Nwo you have a base of plays you can build from, a lot of them simple power run concepts. And you land a QB recruit. You tell him look by your junior year we want to be 50/50 in passing, we have this ATL concept so what we are going to do is have you have a series of plays you practice hard and we are going to use the situationally EVERY week if we can. Think Tebow behind leak it will be great... okay sated the ego of your QB of the future? Good because you know you still need lineman lots of em. As you recruit lineman and train them up you slowly introduce more and more pass concepts and are calling less and less option concepts, you shift to zone options, zone reads and the goal is to still control the pace of the game. But you are still doing what you are good at. And eventually we enter the next phase. Its year three you have a QB you've been running option with and some passing that's now a Junior/seniro and you have a QB you recruited who is now a redshirt sophmore that has got a ton of reps at the passing side of things, he really knows how to read the field for the offense you want, that small cluster of plays and reads he's been using every game he's been ATL has grown to an actually offensive tree. Hell maybe even last year You had people calling all year for you to bench the option guy and play this guy whose been throwing it great and running read option concepts. He didn't have pressure on him to play great he just went out there and did. So durign spring you basically figure out that yeah the new guy is ready. you go to your option QB and say look , heres the deal. We really want to open it up and maybe make a run at a really good season you are still above the line, we are still going to have a place for you and packages, but we also want you to get reps at RB, if you want to transfer thats fine you've got your degree. But we still want you on the field (typically an option QB is one of your best athletes in general). You make your change. Hopefully he stays maybe he doesn't. But now you haven't wasted 2 years. You hopefully have some lineman you've trained up or retrained and some you've recruited and you are ready for yoru goal offense to really be implemented. Maybe you win 7-8 games. Have a good season. Year 4 you now have a junior QB a junior/senior line, senior wide outs, senior RBs and you've slowly added your scheme over the years and you are ready to shock the ****ing world you hope. Now heres the funny part. Johnson tried part 2 and part 3 with Vad Lee. And in all honesty probably would have continued had Vad NOT transfered. We'd have probably seen JT as an A back and backup QB, but im not sure we'd have been better than going back to base offense in 2014, but he was trying to build up to a more passing threat. Look at Waller (had an addiction problem but can't really call that a miss of talent read) he went out and got smelter. that core of a-backs were amazing blockers but deon hill was probably as reliable as any tight end. and our line was bigger than it had been. But you don't take an amazing option QB and force him to stick in that transition when the guy you were transitioning for transfers. Malzahn did this at auburn, before they bought newton. Hell you could even say Kiffen and Saban did this at Alabama when alabama was transitioning to the spread from the power run. They had to retool their ENTIRE offense. They knew they had a down hill blocking o-lien that suffered in pass blocking so they got a really good series of mobile QBS so they could scramble and get off line while even alabama had to retool their o-line for the spread. Then they had a Tua. They somehow convinced hurts to stay and it gets them a championship. Sometimes blowing up everything and installing your system day one can work (Johnson 08, mike leach at times he's hit or miss on this) But mso tof the time it doesn't especially if you are moving to something like a Pro Spread. Things that rely on mulitple sets, lots of reads. massive play charts , etc take time. And in a world like college football... you don't really have it until you are old and staying old. [/QUOTE]
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