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<blockquote data-quote="AE 87" data-source="post: 255496" data-attributes="member: 195"><p>In my first reply, I started with this:</p><p></p><p></p><p>I wasn't trying to say that you are not a smart guy, but I did assume that you had understood, "That's not available from the tables I use" as explaining that I cannot include it. I then explained why I don't think it served your suggested purpose of seeing ...</p><p></p><p></p><p>In other words, I was saying I can't simply add win-loss because it's not in my source data, but I was also rejecting the premise of why you wanted me to do it. That's how conversations take place between thoughtful people. I also recognized the "GENERALLY" aspect of your post and pointed to the AP top 25 as also providing such a comparison.</p><p></p><p>So, when your reply seemed to simply ignore that I was actually being responsive to your post, and picked on the particulars of my example, I took it as a rejection both of the value of my ranking without it and of my argument against W-L as serving a better comparison than AP. Indeed, when you repeated your suggestion for including W-L, when I already told you that data's not available to me, I thought you were continuing the suggestion that it is a more accurate, rather than different, way of ranking teams. So, I responded to your post as actually being a reply to my post. You said, "I hear you," so, I interpreted what follows as a response to the substance of my post. I responded to you accordingly (I also remember you saying that you like to troll with most of your posts in this forum).</p><p></p><p>Now, that being said, with this most recent post, it's clear that you ignored or misunderstood that I answered your question directly with the first sentence of my reply, "That's not available from the tables I use." It's also clear that rather than responding to the substance of my reply and everything I said about different ways of ranking and that I used AP ranking as a general comparison, your post was just saying/defending why you still think W-L would be good to see. It may have been more helpful if you began, "I don't care what you say," rather than, "I hear you," if that's what you mean.</p><p></p><p>FWIW, in previous years, I've included all games, and I've included teams that play only 1 or 2 PWR5/BCS AQ games. In my opinion, the differences between Pwr5 schedules balances out over the course of the season, but not the other FBS and FCS. A good G5 team that dominates G5 competition is not necessarily comparable to a good Pwr5 team that dominates its competition. Now, I don't think that the advantages of a good Pwr5 team over an extra 1-3 G5 or FCS do average out over the course of the season as much as you think; however, the bigger problem arises from the stats of the G5 teams who play only, or almost only, G5 or lesser opponents. </p><p></p><p>Again, it's not a perfect stat, but none are.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AE 87, post: 255496, member: 195"] In my first reply, I started with this: I wasn't trying to say that you are not a smart guy, but I did assume that you had understood, "That's not available from the tables I use" as explaining that I cannot include it. I then explained why I don't think it served your suggested purpose of seeing ... In other words, I was saying I can't simply add win-loss because it's not in my source data, but I was also rejecting the premise of why you wanted me to do it. That's how conversations take place between thoughtful people. I also recognized the "GENERALLY" aspect of your post and pointed to the AP top 25 as also providing such a comparison. So, when your reply seemed to simply ignore that I was actually being responsive to your post, and picked on the particulars of my example, I took it as a rejection both of the value of my ranking without it and of my argument against W-L as serving a better comparison than AP. Indeed, when you repeated your suggestion for including W-L, when I already told you that data's not available to me, I thought you were continuing the suggestion that it is a more accurate, rather than different, way of ranking teams. So, I responded to your post as actually being a reply to my post. You said, "I hear you," so, I interpreted what follows as a response to the substance of my post. I responded to you accordingly (I also remember you saying that you like to troll with most of your posts in this forum). Now, that being said, with this most recent post, it's clear that you ignored or misunderstood that I answered your question directly with the first sentence of my reply, "That's not available from the tables I use." It's also clear that rather than responding to the substance of my reply and everything I said about different ways of ranking and that I used AP ranking as a general comparison, your post was just saying/defending why you still think W-L would be good to see. It may have been more helpful if you began, "I don't care what you say," rather than, "I hear you," if that's what you mean. FWIW, in previous years, I've included all games, and I've included teams that play only 1 or 2 PWR5/BCS AQ games. In my opinion, the differences between Pwr5 schedules balances out over the course of the season, but not the other FBS and FCS. A good G5 team that dominates G5 competition is not necessarily comparable to a good Pwr5 team that dominates its competition. Now, I don't think that the advantages of a good Pwr5 team over an extra 1-3 G5 or FCS do average out over the course of the season as much as you think; however, the bigger problem arises from the stats of the G5 teams who play only, or almost only, G5 or lesser opponents. Again, it's not a perfect stat, but none are. [/QUOTE]
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