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<blockquote data-quote="forensicbuzz" data-source="post: 818445" data-attributes="member: 198"><p>Okay. I couldn't sleep so I went through the exercise of looking at true matchups. For this, I used the SEC and the ACC. I ONLY went back to 2000, because before that, it's just not relevant. Even that far back is probably not relevant, but that's 20+ years and should satisfy most. With teams that have joined the ACC or SEC since 2000, I only used games that were played while they were in one conference or the other. Also, I did not include Maryland, as they're not relevant since they're not in the ACC anymore. MANY of these are bowl games, so I don't know how that really plays into it, but since they played, I included them.</p><p></p><p><u>Tier 1</u></p><p><strong>Alabama (10-3)</strong> with losses to Clemson (2) and FSU. They beat Duke (3), Clemson (3), FSU (1), Louisville (1), and Va Tech (2)</p><p></p><p><u>Tier 2</u></p><p><strong>Texas A&M (2-4)</strong> with losses to Clemson (2), Louisville (1), and Wake Forest (1). They beat UNC (1) and NCST (1)</p><p><strong>LSU (10-1)</strong> with a loss to Clemson (1). Wins against Clemson (1), Georgia Tech (2), Louisville (1), Miami (2), UNC (1), Syracuse (2), and Va Tech (1)</p><p><strong>uga (24-6 or 7-3 excluding Tech)</strong> with losses to BC (1), Clemson (1), Georgia Tech (3), and UVA (1). They beat Clemson (3), FSU (1), Georgia Tech (17), Louisville (1), UNC (1), Va Tech (1)</p><p><strong>Florida (13-12)</strong> with losses to FSU (10) and Miami (2). They beat FSU (10), Miami (2), and UVA (1)</p><p></p><p><u>Tier 3</u></p><p><strong>Auburn (7-8)</strong> with losses to Clemson (4), FSU (1), Georgia Tech (2), and UNC (1). They beat Louisville (1), Miami (2), UVA (1), and Va Tech (1)</p><p><strong>Missouri (0-0)</strong></p><p></p><p><u>Tier 4</u></p><p><strong>USC (15-17)</strong> with losses to Clemson (13), FSU (1), UNC (1), and UVA (2). They beat Clemson (7), Miami (1), UNC (3), NCST (3), UVA (1)</p><p><strong>Kentucky (7-5)</strong> with losses to Clemson (1), Georgia Tech (1), and Louisville (3). They beat Clemson (1), FSU (1), Louisville (3), NCST (1), and Va Tech (1)</p><p><strong>Tennessee (4-3)</strong> with losses to Clemson (1), UNC (1), and Va Tech (1). They beat Duke (1), Georgia Tech (1), NCST (1), and Va Tech (1).</p><p><strong>Vanderbilt (10-9)</strong> with losses to Duke (1), Georgia Tech (4), NCST (1), and Wake Forest (3). They beat BC (1), Duke (3), NCST (1), and Wake Forest (5)</p><p><strong>Ole Miss (1-3)</strong> with losses to FSU (1) and Wake Forest (2). They beat Georgia Tech (1).</p><p><strong>Miss. St. (2-4)</strong> with losses to Georgia Tech (3), Louisville (1), and Wake Forest (1). They beat Louisville (1).</p><p></p><p><strong>MY ANALYSIS</strong></p><p><strong>Alabama</strong> has 4 wins against Duke and Louisville, with 6 against higher ACC teams.</p><p><strong>Texas A&M</strong> has not shown well.</p><p><strong>LSU</strong> owns the ACC, but most of those are bowl or playoff games (whatever that means).</p><p><strong>uga</strong> - no explanation necessary</p><p><strong>Florida</strong> - Pretty even.</p><p><strong>Auburn</strong> - Pretty even.</p><p><strong>USC</strong> - Pretty even.</p><p><strong>Kentucky</strong> - Pretty even.</p><p><strong>Tennessee</strong> - Pretty even.</p><p><strong>Mississippis</strong> - little under par.</p><p></p><p>From this I draw (1) GT has not been holding up our side of the bargain in these rivalries like our peers; (2) LSU owns the ACC, especially in the post-season, (3) Alabama is a really good team; and (4) the SEC isn't really better than the ACC when you look at the head-to-head matchups. Now, you guys can draw your own conclusions from the real data.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="forensicbuzz, post: 818445, member: 198"] Okay. I couldn't sleep so I went through the exercise of looking at true matchups. For this, I used the SEC and the ACC. I ONLY went back to 2000, because before that, it's just not relevant. Even that far back is probably not relevant, but that's 20+ years and should satisfy most. With teams that have joined the ACC or SEC since 2000, I only used games that were played while they were in one conference or the other. Also, I did not include Maryland, as they're not relevant since they're not in the ACC anymore. MANY of these are bowl games, so I don't know how that really plays into it, but since they played, I included them. [U]Tier 1[/U] [B]Alabama (10-3)[/B] with losses to Clemson (2) and FSU. They beat Duke (3), Clemson (3), FSU (1), Louisville (1), and Va Tech (2) [U]Tier 2[/U] [B]Texas A&M (2-4)[/B] with losses to Clemson (2), Louisville (1), and Wake Forest (1). They beat UNC (1) and NCST (1) [B]LSU (10-1)[/B] with a loss to Clemson (1). Wins against Clemson (1), Georgia Tech (2), Louisville (1), Miami (2), UNC (1), Syracuse (2), and Va Tech (1) [B]uga (24-6 or 7-3 excluding Tech)[/B] with losses to BC (1), Clemson (1), Georgia Tech (3), and UVA (1). They beat Clemson (3), FSU (1), Georgia Tech (17), Louisville (1), UNC (1), Va Tech (1) [B]Florida (13-12)[/B] with losses to FSU (10) and Miami (2). They beat FSU (10), Miami (2), and UVA (1) [U]Tier 3[/U] [B]Auburn (7-8)[/B] with losses to Clemson (4), FSU (1), Georgia Tech (2), and UNC (1). They beat Louisville (1), Miami (2), UVA (1), and Va Tech (1) [B]Missouri (0-0)[/B] [U]Tier 4[/U] [B]USC (15-17)[/B] with losses to Clemson (13), FSU (1), UNC (1), and UVA (2). They beat Clemson (7), Miami (1), UNC (3), NCST (3), UVA (1) [B]Kentucky (7-5)[/B] with losses to Clemson (1), Georgia Tech (1), and Louisville (3). They beat Clemson (1), FSU (1), Louisville (3), NCST (1), and Va Tech (1) [B]Tennessee (4-3)[/B] with losses to Clemson (1), UNC (1), and Va Tech (1). They beat Duke (1), Georgia Tech (1), NCST (1), and Va Tech (1). [B]Vanderbilt (10-9)[/B] with losses to Duke (1), Georgia Tech (4), NCST (1), and Wake Forest (3). They beat BC (1), Duke (3), NCST (1), and Wake Forest (5) [B]Ole Miss (1-3)[/B] with losses to FSU (1) and Wake Forest (2). They beat Georgia Tech (1). [B]Miss. St. (2-4)[/B] with losses to Georgia Tech (3), Louisville (1), and Wake Forest (1). They beat Louisville (1). [B]MY ANALYSIS Alabama[/B] has 4 wins against Duke and Louisville, with 6 against higher ACC teams. [B]Texas A&M[/B] has not shown well. [B]LSU[/B] owns the ACC, but most of those are bowl or playoff games (whatever that means). [B]uga[/B] - no explanation necessary [B]Florida[/B] - Pretty even. [B]Auburn[/B] - Pretty even. [B]USC[/B] - Pretty even. [B]Kentucky[/B] - Pretty even. [B]Tennessee[/B] - Pretty even. [B]Mississippis[/B] - little under par. From this I draw (1) GT has not been holding up our side of the bargain in these rivalries like our peers; (2) LSU owns the ACC, especially in the post-season, (3) Alabama is a really good team; and (4) the SEC isn't really better than the ACC when you look at the head-to-head matchups. Now, you guys can draw your own conclusions from the real data. [/QUOTE]
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