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<blockquote data-quote="Bruce Wayne" data-source="post: 79849" data-attributes="member: 231"><p>Cyptom, clearly sexual assault and rape are terrible and vicious crimes but we also tend to think of those as a predator abducting women and dragging them into alleys or forests. Assault and rape <em>can happen</em> within marriages, even just on dates. But <em>these </em>contexts are one's that take more judiciousness in determining what happened as opposed to the strange vicious predator.</p><p></p><p>I was struck by her description of Dwyer's behavior as possibly coming from a motive of attempting to end an argument or defuse it by sexual advances. You know the old idea of "kiss and make up"? We both know that this is <em>supposed to happen after </em>the argument. But I do not find it a stretch to think Dwyer, using poor judgment, or maybe based on past ways he resolved arguments with his wife, trying to use intimacy and kisses to calm her anger. It is very hard to know the dynamic between two people in a marriage or relationship. Men can have a tendency to treat an angry woman more like a child in a tantrum that needs more physical restraint; where by "physical restraint" I mean "hugging it out" like when someone holds a child (in a hug) until the struggling child relaxes. Or men can see a woman's anger as "cute" and be drawn to try and hug and kiss them when that is the <em>last thing</em> the woman wants. These are misjudgments and mistakes but not <em>necessarily </em>attempts at sexual assault or rape.</p><p></p><p>Do I know my scenario for how the physical contact started is correct? Of course not. I do notice there are two days of arguing mentioned in the report including a claim of a punch to the face. I just mention this possible interpretation of motives as a reason to remain level-headed because the psychology of the two people here is a large unknown. It seems pretty clear that Dwyer has at least in these arguments shown some serious manic and possibly depression induced anger.</p><p></p><p>My point is to caution against strong judgments based on the abstract notion of "self-defense against sexual assault or rape" where of course everyone, even Animal I bet, would accept <em>any </em>means of self-defense as justified. Arguments in the abstract over principles and then seeing how exactly they fit into facts, or claims of fact, as they are available to us are two different discussions to have.</p><p></p><p>Animal seems to be coming from the point of view of a personal experience that influences his rhetoric on the issue but I think his intent has primarily aimed at avoiding a rush to judgment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bruce Wayne, post: 79849, member: 231"] Cyptom, clearly sexual assault and rape are terrible and vicious crimes but we also tend to think of those as a predator abducting women and dragging them into alleys or forests. Assault and rape [I]can happen[/I] within marriages, even just on dates. But [I]these [/I]contexts are one's that take more judiciousness in determining what happened as opposed to the strange vicious predator. I was struck by her description of Dwyer's behavior as possibly coming from a motive of attempting to end an argument or defuse it by sexual advances. You know the old idea of "kiss and make up"? We both know that this is [I]supposed to happen after [/I]the argument. But I do not find it a stretch to think Dwyer, using poor judgment, or maybe based on past ways he resolved arguments with his wife, trying to use intimacy and kisses to calm her anger. It is very hard to know the dynamic between two people in a marriage or relationship. Men can have a tendency to treat an angry woman more like a child in a tantrum that needs more physical restraint; where by "physical restraint" I mean "hugging it out" like when someone holds a child (in a hug) until the struggling child relaxes. Or men can see a woman's anger as "cute" and be drawn to try and hug and kiss them when that is the [I]last thing[/I] the woman wants. These are misjudgments and mistakes but not [I]necessarily [/I]attempts at sexual assault or rape. Do I know my scenario for how the physical contact started is correct? Of course not. I do notice there are two days of arguing mentioned in the report including a claim of a punch to the face. I just mention this possible interpretation of motives as a reason to remain level-headed because the psychology of the two people here is a large unknown. It seems pretty clear that Dwyer has at least in these arguments shown some serious manic and possibly depression induced anger. My point is to caution against strong judgments based on the abstract notion of "self-defense against sexual assault or rape" where of course everyone, even Animal I bet, would accept [I]any [/I]means of self-defense as justified. Arguments in the abstract over principles and then seeing how exactly they fit into facts, or claims of fact, as they are available to us are two different discussions to have. Animal seems to be coming from the point of view of a personal experience that influences his rhetoric on the issue but I think his intent has primarily aimed at avoiding a rush to judgment. [/QUOTE]
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