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<blockquote data-quote="RonJohn" data-source="post: 999666" data-attributes="member: 2426"><p>What? You do not seem to be making any logical sense.</p><p></p><p>YES, FSU can leave the ACC and leave their media rights behind. That is explicit in the GOR document that they voluntarily signed on two occasions. Their BOT pronounced that it was good that this document made if very financially difficult for any member to leave the ACC. They KNEW and UNDERSTOOD when they signed the document that it was very restrictive. They KNEW and UNDERSTOOD when they signed the document that a member could leave the conference, but the media rights would stay with the conference. They knew these items and signed the document. They then pronounced that this document was good because it would probably prevent ANY member from leaving the conference.</p><p></p><p>You do not have any understanding at all what the ACC constitution and bylaws are. You do not have any understanding at all about what the GOR is. They do not conflict. They do not "override" each other. They are separate things. The ACC constitution and bylaws have a method for a school to leave the conference. They do not have anything about media rights ownership in them. The GOR is an assignment of media rights contract. It specifically says that if a school leaves the conference, using the method in the ACC constitution and bylaws, that the media rights still remain with the conference.</p><p></p><p>This post from you makes me think that you have zero understanding about what the contracts are, and what they mean. You are speaking as though you are in a fog and all of it is swirled together. Words mean things. FSU <strong>can </strong>leave but leave their media rights behind. That is clearly spelled out in the contracts. You seem to be arguing about whether they actually <strong>would </strong>leave without their media rights, not whether they <strong>can </strong>contractually. Once again, I am not a lawyer, but in court a judge isn't going to determine what is fair. He is going to determine what is legal and how to apply that actual language of contracts. I think the biggest issue between us is that I am looking at contracts and laws, while you seem to be looking at how you feel things should be.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: And I'm not sure where you see me saying that the ACC "will refuse" to negotiate. It will be extremely hard for FSU to negotiate, because they can't reach a settlement with a majority of the ACC. Any change to the GOR that allows FSU to leave requires the signature of every single ACC member, so FSU has to negotiate to the level of the most stubborn member. The ACC members could refuse to negotiate, but I don't think I have ever said that they "will refuse".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RonJohn, post: 999666, member: 2426"] What? You do not seem to be making any logical sense. YES, FSU can leave the ACC and leave their media rights behind. That is explicit in the GOR document that they voluntarily signed on two occasions. Their BOT pronounced that it was good that this document made if very financially difficult for any member to leave the ACC. They KNEW and UNDERSTOOD when they signed the document that it was very restrictive. They KNEW and UNDERSTOOD when they signed the document that a member could leave the conference, but the media rights would stay with the conference. They knew these items and signed the document. They then pronounced that this document was good because it would probably prevent ANY member from leaving the conference. You do not have any understanding at all what the ACC constitution and bylaws are. You do not have any understanding at all about what the GOR is. They do not conflict. They do not "override" each other. They are separate things. The ACC constitution and bylaws have a method for a school to leave the conference. They do not have anything about media rights ownership in them. The GOR is an assignment of media rights contract. It specifically says that if a school leaves the conference, using the method in the ACC constitution and bylaws, that the media rights still remain with the conference. This post from you makes me think that you have zero understanding about what the contracts are, and what they mean. You are speaking as though you are in a fog and all of it is swirled together. Words mean things. FSU [B]can [/B]leave but leave their media rights behind. That is clearly spelled out in the contracts. You seem to be arguing about whether they actually [B]would [/B]leave without their media rights, not whether they [B]can [/B]contractually. Once again, I am not a lawyer, but in court a judge isn't going to determine what is fair. He is going to determine what is legal and how to apply that actual language of contracts. I think the biggest issue between us is that I am looking at contracts and laws, while you seem to be looking at how you feel things should be. EDIT: And I'm not sure where you see me saying that the ACC "will refuse" to negotiate. It will be extremely hard for FSU to negotiate, because they can't reach a settlement with a majority of the ACC. Any change to the GOR that allows FSU to leave requires the signature of every single ACC member, so FSU has to negotiate to the level of the most stubborn member. The ACC members could refuse to negotiate, but I don't think I have ever said that they "will refuse". [/QUOTE]
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