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<blockquote data-quote="RamblinRed" data-source="post: 881878" data-attributes="member: 1776"><p>Of course, once again this is being looked at from the Schools point of view (which is typically what fans most orient towards), this is probably only the 3rd most important point of view in this process.</p><p></p><p>The Networks and the conference point of views are much more important as they are the ones that will make the call, not the school (except for ND).</p><p></p><p>From a Network standpoint alot of the talk on the message boards the last week make little sense.</p><p>Is it in ESPN's interest to have Clemson and FSU in the SEC? Absolutely not. They would basically be paying a much higher rate for the same content. </p><p>It certainly isn't in ESPN's interest for any ACC schools to end up in the B10, and there are probably a limited number of ACC schools that would make sense for FOX and the Big 10.</p><p>It certainly is not in ESPN's interest for ND to join the B10.</p><p></p><p>The differences in the conference networks may also play into this long term.</p><p>ESPN owns the SEC (contract through 2034) and ACC (2036) networks. The Conferences do not own these networks, they simply get payouts from ESPN.</p><p>B10 Network is different as it is 49% owned by the B10 (and 51% by FoxSports), so B10 has more of a direct stake in the success of the network. This may be why a poster on another board has said that the SEC has expanded based largely on Stadium size and the B10 has expanded largely on Market size. The B10 has more financial stake at being in larger markets where it can charge a higher fee for B10 broadcast rights if it has a local team. (This is the one thing athletically that GT potentially brings to the table for the B10 that it doesn't bring to the ACC). Is it enough for them to make any move right now given the potential legal and financial ramifications they would have to deal with, probably not.</p><p></p><p>Fans are also misunderstanding the additional revenue. From an intra-conference standpoint every school is getting the same TV payout. So being in a different conference does not help you in terms of competing with your conference brethren (which is probably 75% of your games), it only helps in competing with your OOC opponents. If GT gets $100M for being in the B10, so does every other school. That does nothing to make up the difference that the larger schools with larger brands have the advantage in raising additional revenue. OSU's AD mentioned a couple of years ago that it brings in over $100MM in revenue from its home football games (outside of the TV money). GT's whole budget isn't $100MM. It is very possible to move up in terms of TV payout and find yourself in a worse competitive position than if you do not move up.</p><p></p><p>I understand where SOWEGA comes from and his viewpoint is 100% legitimate. For me, I am a GT fan first, and a college football fan 2nd (well actually i'm a bigger college basketball fan than college FB fan, but that is a separate discussion.). So I will always prioritize a GT conference game over watching other college FB games. Now we can argue over OOC games against G5 and FCS type opponents, but against any other P5 opponent the GT game will be #1 on my viewing list whether in person or on TV. That will continue regardless of where GT football is in 5-10 years. I also think it is somerthing of a strawman to throw out teams like Tulane or Villanova. That is not who GT is going to be playing if it ultimately is not invited to join the B10 or SEC. It will likely be mostly the same teams GT plays today. </p><p></p><p>I'll also add that I do think the ACC GoR will be an effective short term measure in keeping the conference together as I believe there is basically 0% chance that the NC4 + UVA would leave the ACC. They are charter members and basically built the conference. I don't see any of them jumping to another conference unless everyone else left first and frankly there are not enough valuable properties at the valuations we are talking about to leave without those 5 schools choosing to leave first.</p><p></p><p>Fibally, i'll add that this is all very FB specific and I do not think there will be significant changes in any other collegiate sport. The B10 and SEC could break away for FB purposes and still decide to play NCAA basketball under the current umbrella. IMO it would actually be in their interest to. The NCAA Tourney is really built around that opening weekend and all the smaller schools vs larger school matchups and upsets. If the Big 2 decided to completely break away in all sports I think it would actually hurt their BB for the postseason as I believe the majority of college basketball viewers would rather watch a Tournament that had more teams and smaller conference teams than one with just teams from the Big 2.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RamblinRed, post: 881878, member: 1776"] Of course, once again this is being looked at from the Schools point of view (which is typically what fans most orient towards), this is probably only the 3rd most important point of view in this process. The Networks and the conference point of views are much more important as they are the ones that will make the call, not the school (except for ND). From a Network standpoint alot of the talk on the message boards the last week make little sense. Is it in ESPN's interest to have Clemson and FSU in the SEC? Absolutely not. They would basically be paying a much higher rate for the same content. It certainly isn't in ESPN's interest for any ACC schools to end up in the B10, and there are probably a limited number of ACC schools that would make sense for FOX and the Big 10. It certainly is not in ESPN's interest for ND to join the B10. The differences in the conference networks may also play into this long term. ESPN owns the SEC (contract through 2034) and ACC (2036) networks. The Conferences do not own these networks, they simply get payouts from ESPN. B10 Network is different as it is 49% owned by the B10 (and 51% by FoxSports), so B10 has more of a direct stake in the success of the network. This may be why a poster on another board has said that the SEC has expanded based largely on Stadium size and the B10 has expanded largely on Market size. The B10 has more financial stake at being in larger markets where it can charge a higher fee for B10 broadcast rights if it has a local team. (This is the one thing athletically that GT potentially brings to the table for the B10 that it doesn't bring to the ACC). Is it enough for them to make any move right now given the potential legal and financial ramifications they would have to deal with, probably not. Fans are also misunderstanding the additional revenue. From an intra-conference standpoint every school is getting the same TV payout. So being in a different conference does not help you in terms of competing with your conference brethren (which is probably 75% of your games), it only helps in competing with your OOC opponents. If GT gets $100M for being in the B10, so does every other school. That does nothing to make up the difference that the larger schools with larger brands have the advantage in raising additional revenue. OSU's AD mentioned a couple of years ago that it brings in over $100MM in revenue from its home football games (outside of the TV money). GT's whole budget isn't $100MM. It is very possible to move up in terms of TV payout and find yourself in a worse competitive position than if you do not move up. I understand where SOWEGA comes from and his viewpoint is 100% legitimate. For me, I am a GT fan first, and a college football fan 2nd (well actually i'm a bigger college basketball fan than college FB fan, but that is a separate discussion.). So I will always prioritize a GT conference game over watching other college FB games. Now we can argue over OOC games against G5 and FCS type opponents, but against any other P5 opponent the GT game will be #1 on my viewing list whether in person or on TV. That will continue regardless of where GT football is in 5-10 years. I also think it is somerthing of a strawman to throw out teams like Tulane or Villanova. That is not who GT is going to be playing if it ultimately is not invited to join the B10 or SEC. It will likely be mostly the same teams GT plays today. I'll also add that I do think the ACC GoR will be an effective short term measure in keeping the conference together as I believe there is basically 0% chance that the NC4 + UVA would leave the ACC. They are charter members and basically built the conference. I don't see any of them jumping to another conference unless everyone else left first and frankly there are not enough valuable properties at the valuations we are talking about to leave without those 5 schools choosing to leave first. Fibally, i'll add that this is all very FB specific and I do not think there will be significant changes in any other collegiate sport. The B10 and SEC could break away for FB purposes and still decide to play NCAA basketball under the current umbrella. IMO it would actually be in their interest to. The NCAA Tourney is really built around that opening weekend and all the smaller schools vs larger school matchups and upsets. If the Big 2 decided to completely break away in all sports I think it would actually hurt their BB for the postseason as I believe the majority of college basketball viewers would rather watch a Tournament that had more teams and smaller conference teams than one with just teams from the Big 2. [/QUOTE]
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