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Clinton & Trump are criminals and should be in jail. /sarcasm
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<blockquote data-quote="Northeast Stinger" data-source="post: 338438" data-attributes="member: 1640"><p>O.K., take a deep breath. This is all going to be o.k. in the end. God told me so. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Let's make a few distinctions. Is Trump under investigation? Oh, most definitely. The trigger for this was apparent obstruction of justice. I believe it is plainly obvious that he has been engaging in this but it does not matter what I believe. An independent investigator will make a determination on this. We will find out with time. </p><p></p><p>Did Obama wiretap Trump tower? Well, let me put it this way. If he did then every government institution in this country is involved in the coverup, a conspiracy so big that it rivals the conspiracy that 9/11 was an inside job by the Bush administration. No. I do not believe in conspiracies of that magnitude. 17 government agencies have said it did not happen. </p><p></p><p>Did the FBI monitor activity between Trump Tower and Russia? First let me offer this disclaimer. I tried to follow your link and it did not work. When I pasted it into my browser it did not go to a specific link. So, let me answer from my own memory. The F.B.I. was concerned that there were thousands of internet "pings" going on between Russia and a site in this country. They investigated, as well they should, and as I would absolutely want them to do. They found that a Trump server was communicating with a server in Russia. It turned out that it was spam, primarily advertising originating, if I recall correctly, out of Philadelphia. No harm, no foul. These were not Trump conversations and no one was exposed. They were monitoring a server, not Trump. </p><p></p><p>On your last point we may have to agree to disagree. Unmasking is governed by very specific laws and is a legitimate course of action when our security is at risk. Unless you have been hiding under a rock, you know that Russia hacked our election process. They bought thousands of ads on Facebook that planted fake news stories about Hillary Clinton, they redirected chat rooms to Russian sources who guided conversations to slam Clinton, they put thousands of bots on social media, they planted fake news stories, they targeted key precincts across the country by infiltrating social media and they hacked the voting records of as many as 39 states and possibly even some voting machines. The surveillance was related to this. All of this is public record and not in dispute. What is confusing to some Trump supporters is that this info was picked up, not at Trump tower, but in international traffic that is routinely monitored by the NSA.</p><p></p><p>O.K., so what was the surveillance about? Turns out that some Trump associates were communicating with Russia going back over two years ago. Perhaps these were innocent business deals. I doubt that but even if they were it was good, proper and fitting for our intelligence to be involved because the Russians in question were Russian intelligence agents with direct ties to Putin. This is the meat of the stuff under investigation, the stuff of which there have been leaks and the stuff where there was unmasking. Trump, for some unknown reason, continues to maintain that no one in his organization has ever had any dealings with Russia. Even though he is prone to hyperbole, this is flat out incorrect. </p><p></p><p>Funny that some want to discredit the dossier. It would be very easy to prove whether the information in that dossier is bogus or not but the people who have charge of it, committees controlled by Republicans who want to protect Trump, refuse to open the dossier up for public hearings. Too bad. That only increases the paranoia and division in this country. A little sunlight on this would go a long way to clearing things up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Northeast Stinger, post: 338438, member: 1640"] O.K., take a deep breath. This is all going to be o.k. in the end. God told me so. :) Let's make a few distinctions. Is Trump under investigation? Oh, most definitely. The trigger for this was apparent obstruction of justice. I believe it is plainly obvious that he has been engaging in this but it does not matter what I believe. An independent investigator will make a determination on this. We will find out with time. Did Obama wiretap Trump tower? Well, let me put it this way. If he did then every government institution in this country is involved in the coverup, a conspiracy so big that it rivals the conspiracy that 9/11 was an inside job by the Bush administration. No. I do not believe in conspiracies of that magnitude. 17 government agencies have said it did not happen. Did the FBI monitor activity between Trump Tower and Russia? First let me offer this disclaimer. I tried to follow your link and it did not work. When I pasted it into my browser it did not go to a specific link. So, let me answer from my own memory. The F.B.I. was concerned that there were thousands of internet "pings" going on between Russia and a site in this country. They investigated, as well they should, and as I would absolutely want them to do. They found that a Trump server was communicating with a server in Russia. It turned out that it was spam, primarily advertising originating, if I recall correctly, out of Philadelphia. No harm, no foul. These were not Trump conversations and no one was exposed. They were monitoring a server, not Trump. On your last point we may have to agree to disagree. Unmasking is governed by very specific laws and is a legitimate course of action when our security is at risk. Unless you have been hiding under a rock, you know that Russia hacked our election process. They bought thousands of ads on Facebook that planted fake news stories about Hillary Clinton, they redirected chat rooms to Russian sources who guided conversations to slam Clinton, they put thousands of bots on social media, they planted fake news stories, they targeted key precincts across the country by infiltrating social media and they hacked the voting records of as many as 39 states and possibly even some voting machines. The surveillance was related to this. All of this is public record and not in dispute. What is confusing to some Trump supporters is that this info was picked up, not at Trump tower, but in international traffic that is routinely monitored by the NSA. O.K., so what was the surveillance about? Turns out that some Trump associates were communicating with Russia going back over two years ago. Perhaps these were innocent business deals. I doubt that but even if they were it was good, proper and fitting for our intelligence to be involved because the Russians in question were Russian intelligence agents with direct ties to Putin. This is the meat of the stuff under investigation, the stuff of which there have been leaks and the stuff where there was unmasking. Trump, for some unknown reason, continues to maintain that no one in his organization has ever had any dealings with Russia. Even though he is prone to hyperbole, this is flat out incorrect. Funny that some want to discredit the dossier. It would be very easy to prove whether the information in that dossier is bogus or not but the people who have charge of it, committees controlled by Republicans who want to protect Trump, refuse to open the dossier up for public hearings. Too bad. That only increases the paranoia and division in this country. A little sunlight on this would go a long way to clearing things up. [/QUOTE]
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