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<blockquote data-quote="Whiskey_Clear" data-source="post: 292342" data-attributes="member: 735"><p>FWIW I don't think we are actually all that far apart in perspectives [USER=568]@Cam[/USER]. We have differences sure but likely not separated by wide gulfs. </p><p></p><p>Trump's rhetoric during the campaign is part of this mess. But it also probably helped get him elected so there is that angle as well. You reap what you sow however. If he wasn't so bombastic people would likely be willing to grant him more leeway (not the Dem party so much but the more independent minded would I think). </p><p></p><p>I still will argue the 9th Circuit is way off base. But that will get resolved one way or another.</p><p></p><p>My military friends don't say all Iraqis (Iraqis are who most interacted with primarily) are bad. They would likely champion a few for asylum themselves. And they didn't just interact with combatives. They also interacted with "commoners" in building projects, wells and such. But I think most would be a bit wary in granting blank asylum to large portions of those populations. My bud that survived the "Blackhawk Down" incident would probably be even more reluctant with regard to Somalis. I'd have to ask directly to be certain but I have a strong suspicion I'm correct on that one.</p><p></p><p>I agree there are many fine foreigners from those seven nations who would make positive, some even great, additions to our country. My inlaws are refugees. My wife would be a refugee if but born a couple weeks sooner. She was in fact born in a refugee camp here in the states.</p><p></p><p>I see far more risk in granting asylum to refugees from the Middle East currently than any other groups in our history. From the group of seven and from countries deemed "more friendly" to us.</p><p></p><p>I also admit I'm a bit worried about how our welfare affects immigration in general today compared to historically. A hundred years ago immigrants came here for a new life and were willing to create that new life through hard work. And they did help make America great. My immigrant father in law is one of the hardest working men I've ever known. Worked three full time jobs for a while with an hour of sleep a day. I can't even comprehend that honestly. He and his wife raised six very successful kids. I see the value in immigration. But I fear this story may be less likely to play out this way today, in high percentages, than it has in the past. Hopefully I'm wrong but I just think welfare creates less incentive for some to strive to high levels of success.</p><p></p><p>I've enjoyed the discourse even though we don't exactly see eye to eye. The two of us could likely agree to an amicable compromise on this issue. Too bad our nation's leaders are not likely able to. Thus the political pendulum will continue to swing back and forth.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Whiskey_Clear, post: 292342, member: 735"] FWIW I don't think we are actually all that far apart in perspectives [USER=568]@Cam[/USER]. We have differences sure but likely not separated by wide gulfs. Trump's rhetoric during the campaign is part of this mess. But it also probably helped get him elected so there is that angle as well. You reap what you sow however. If he wasn't so bombastic people would likely be willing to grant him more leeway (not the Dem party so much but the more independent minded would I think). I still will argue the 9th Circuit is way off base. But that will get resolved one way or another. My military friends don't say all Iraqis (Iraqis are who most interacted with primarily) are bad. They would likely champion a few for asylum themselves. And they didn't just interact with combatives. They also interacted with "commoners" in building projects, wells and such. But I think most would be a bit wary in granting blank asylum to large portions of those populations. My bud that survived the "Blackhawk Down" incident would probably be even more reluctant with regard to Somalis. I'd have to ask directly to be certain but I have a strong suspicion I'm correct on that one. I agree there are many fine foreigners from those seven nations who would make positive, some even great, additions to our country. My inlaws are refugees. My wife would be a refugee if but born a couple weeks sooner. She was in fact born in a refugee camp here in the states. I see far more risk in granting asylum to refugees from the Middle East currently than any other groups in our history. From the group of seven and from countries deemed "more friendly" to us. I also admit I'm a bit worried about how our welfare affects immigration in general today compared to historically. A hundred years ago immigrants came here for a new life and were willing to create that new life through hard work. And they did help make America great. My immigrant father in law is one of the hardest working men I've ever known. Worked three full time jobs for a while with an hour of sleep a day. I can't even comprehend that honestly. He and his wife raised six very successful kids. I see the value in immigration. But I fear this story may be less likely to play out this way today, in high percentages, than it has in the past. Hopefully I'm wrong but I just think welfare creates less incentive for some to strive to high levels of success. I've enjoyed the discourse even though we don't exactly see eye to eye. The two of us could likely agree to an amicable compromise on this issue. Too bad our nation's leaders are not likely able to. Thus the political pendulum will continue to swing back and forth. [/QUOTE]
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