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<blockquote data-quote="Whiskey_Clear" data-source="post: 292017" data-attributes="member: 735"><p>[USER=568]@Cam[/USER]</p><p>It's completely legitimate to question the President's motives for the ban. Arguing both Presidents' bans aren't exactly the same or done for the same reasons is as well. What can't be argued logically is the power of the executive branch to do so. The law is pretty clear on that power whether one agrees or disagrees with those executive decisions. The 9th circuit is way out of bounds once again.</p><p></p><p>You don't feel like America is in realistic danger from possible refugee infiltration and attacks. Many Americans disagree with your opinion which is a big reason Trump won office. Bottom line is still this, the executive branch is responsible for determining our risks and taking actions to limit them. I'll take risk assessments from military and national intel agencies over your math, that is related to prior attacks, all day long. </p><p></p><p>(On a side note hypothetically. If ISIS did manage to infiltrate and carry out an attack on U.S. soil killing 100 Americans, what would our chances of being killed by same going forward be? Still pretty negligible statistically I'd imagine. That math would do little for the families of those 100 souls)</p><p></p><p>I'm glad your friends had positive interactions with refugees. I'm sure most are probably decent people and some may be wonderful. My worry is of course primarily focused on those that are neither decent nor wonderful. I have buds that were over there that have come away with an overall differing position than your friends however. I would champion refugees who assisted our military with aid or intel. Doesn't mean I'd champion all other refugees.</p><p></p><p>As to your world super power responsibilities argument. Our nation's responsibilities are to our citizens first and foremost always, or should be. We can't even balance our own budget currently and the deficits we are building are insane. So I reject your position on that note until we can get our own house in order. </p><p></p><p>As to your take on world politics, true to a degree, but..... the rest of the world needs America more than we need them, Australia included. No other country spends more on international aid than we do, but it's never enough is it? So if the Prime Minister of Australia wants to take his football home over a disagreement regarding refugees....piss on him.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.rt.com/news/366778-us-australia-refugees-resettlement/" target="_blank">https://www.rt.com/news/366778-us-australia-refugees-resettlement/</a></p><p></p><p>Above is an example of Australia's desire for America to pay for Australian generosity. The AUS PM can open the doors to his own country if he wishes but instead prefers to have America do so. Win - win for Auzland.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Whiskey_Clear, post: 292017, member: 735"] [USER=568]@Cam[/USER] It's completely legitimate to question the President's motives for the ban. Arguing both Presidents' bans aren't exactly the same or done for the same reasons is as well. What can't be argued logically is the power of the executive branch to do so. The law is pretty clear on that power whether one agrees or disagrees with those executive decisions. The 9th circuit is way out of bounds once again. You don't feel like America is in realistic danger from possible refugee infiltration and attacks. Many Americans disagree with your opinion which is a big reason Trump won office. Bottom line is still this, the executive branch is responsible for determining our risks and taking actions to limit them. I'll take risk assessments from military and national intel agencies over your math, that is related to prior attacks, all day long. (On a side note hypothetically. If ISIS did manage to infiltrate and carry out an attack on U.S. soil killing 100 Americans, what would our chances of being killed by same going forward be? Still pretty negligible statistically I'd imagine. That math would do little for the families of those 100 souls) I'm glad your friends had positive interactions with refugees. I'm sure most are probably decent people and some may be wonderful. My worry is of course primarily focused on those that are neither decent nor wonderful. I have buds that were over there that have come away with an overall differing position than your friends however. I would champion refugees who assisted our military with aid or intel. Doesn't mean I'd champion all other refugees. As to your world super power responsibilities argument. Our nation's responsibilities are to our citizens first and foremost always, or should be. We can't even balance our own budget currently and the deficits we are building are insane. So I reject your position on that note until we can get our own house in order. As to your take on world politics, true to a degree, but..... the rest of the world needs America more than we need them, Australia included. No other country spends more on international aid than we do, but it's never enough is it? So if the Prime Minister of Australia wants to take his football home over a disagreement regarding refugees....piss on him. [URL]https://www.rt.com/news/366778-us-australia-refugees-resettlement/[/URL] Above is an example of Australia's desire for America to pay for Australian generosity. The AUS PM can open the doors to his own country if he wishes but instead prefers to have America do so. Win - win for Auzland. [/QUOTE]
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