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Book recommendation: Invisible Women - a very well sourced book on bias (specifically gender bias)
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<blockquote data-quote="MWBATL" data-source="post: 614847" data-attributes="member: 944"><p>There is one other thing I find basically a flaw in all such arguments. Women have not been powerless in their lives. They have always had tools and leverage they could choose to use to change their worlds, whether it be children, sex, or their willing labor. For this to have evolved so slowly over the course of time...surely life is as it was meant to be. No? The idea that men have lorded over women for centuries as a patriarchy and forced them as chattel into slavery is one that simply doesn't make logical sense to me....</p><p></p><p>Like so many of today's arguments, it seems to me we are merely arm wrestling about wealth and power (mostly about wealth).</p><p></p><p>I will tell you what I do find interesting. I find it interesting that levels of happiness do not appear to be closely related to all the western rights and values that people are arguing about so vigorously. People in some of the poorest places often strike me as being happier in their day-to-day lives that people in NYC or Dehli or Beijing. Mine is not a scientific study, it is merely one of observation by visiting many places, sitting and watching and (where possible) talking to many people all over this world of ours. All of these rights people are screaming at each other about...women's rights, LBGTQ rights, gay marriage, etc etc....somehow don't seem to be nearly as big an impediment to day-to-day happiness in places like the Philippines, or Indonesia, or some places in Africa. I find *that* fascinating. It is NOT at all clear to me that western values are the most optimal human conditions for happiness.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MWBATL, post: 614847, member: 944"] There is one other thing I find basically a flaw in all such arguments. Women have not been powerless in their lives. They have always had tools and leverage they could choose to use to change their worlds, whether it be children, sex, or their willing labor. For this to have evolved so slowly over the course of time...surely life is as it was meant to be. No? The idea that men have lorded over women for centuries as a patriarchy and forced them as chattel into slavery is one that simply doesn't make logical sense to me.... Like so many of today's arguments, it seems to me we are merely arm wrestling about wealth and power (mostly about wealth). I will tell you what I do find interesting. I find it interesting that levels of happiness do not appear to be closely related to all the western rights and values that people are arguing about so vigorously. People in some of the poorest places often strike me as being happier in their day-to-day lives that people in NYC or Dehli or Beijing. Mine is not a scientific study, it is merely one of observation by visiting many places, sitting and watching and (where possible) talking to many people all over this world of ours. All of these rights people are screaming at each other about...women's rights, LBGTQ rights, gay marriage, etc etc....somehow don't seem to be nearly as big an impediment to day-to-day happiness in places like the Philippines, or Indonesia, or some places in Africa. I find *that* fascinating. It is NOT at all clear to me that western values are the most optimal human conditions for happiness. [/QUOTE]
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