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Book recommendation: Invisible Women - a very well sourced book on bias (specifically gender bias)
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<blockquote data-quote="MWBATL" data-source="post: 614433" data-attributes="member: 944"><p>One of my problems with books and discussions such as this one is that it ignores something quite basic....women are not some monolithic group who all think alike, feel alike, act alike, etc. There are huge numbers of women who are extremely satisfied and content with playing the role of caregiver and stay-at-home support person. ANYONE who purports to argue that the world is monolithic loses me pretty quickly.</p><p></p><p>Second, it is often a topic that comes across as quite "preachy". Maybe I am still smarting from going to listen to Erica Jong give a speech to a one-sided audience of liberals, and sitting through her bashing of conservatives, men, and anything she disagreed with in general....but it turned me off immensely to feminism. Maybe it was having an ex-wife who decided she was a feminist, which in her world meant she never had to work because the world owed it to her. And by golly, she hardly ever worked a day in her life and got away with it too!</p><p></p><p>There are some women who have been sold a bill of goods that you can have everything. NO ONE in life can have everything. Men pay a price for the decisions we make, and women do as well. Life is fill of trade-offs. My Father's favorite saying was the Life is a Choice of AVAILABLE alternatives. You can decide you want to be the Queen of England, and complain bitterly that somehow the patriarchy is preventing this from happening, but that doesn't make it so.</p><p></p><p>My ex-wife (before she entered her radical feminist phase) eagerly made the deal for me to be the wage earner and her to be the stay-at-home. No one coerced her into it, she was the one who proposed that arrangement, wanted it and urged me to embrace it. I learned later it was because she had some deep seated fears about the competitiveness of the working world, and feminism gave her the perfect cover for those fears. </p><p></p><p>But, perhaps most importantly, discussions like these often revolve around the argument that women's work is unpaid at home, as both Mothers and care-givers. And in financial terms, it is. But in life terms, it is not unpaid. The bond that is formed between two partners, one who works and one who stays home, is a deep bond. I know couples where the male is the stay-at-home......and that works as well. To view all of life in simple dollars and cents terms is wrong and terribly incomplete.</p><p></p><p>My bottom line about men and women, about the patriarchy and feminism, is really that there is so much complexity involved, and so much variety in male-female relations that it becomes almost impossible to generalize. Books that purport to bash one side or the other are all too often just not worth the effort because they usually have some other agenda hidden underneath.</p><p></p><p>All I can aspire to is a world where men and women are free to choose the lives they want, given the realities of life. But, one must always recognize the realities of life.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MWBATL, post: 614433, member: 944"] One of my problems with books and discussions such as this one is that it ignores something quite basic....women are not some monolithic group who all think alike, feel alike, act alike, etc. There are huge numbers of women who are extremely satisfied and content with playing the role of caregiver and stay-at-home support person. ANYONE who purports to argue that the world is monolithic loses me pretty quickly. Second, it is often a topic that comes across as quite "preachy". Maybe I am still smarting from going to listen to Erica Jong give a speech to a one-sided audience of liberals, and sitting through her bashing of conservatives, men, and anything she disagreed with in general....but it turned me off immensely to feminism. Maybe it was having an ex-wife who decided she was a feminist, which in her world meant she never had to work because the world owed it to her. And by golly, she hardly ever worked a day in her life and got away with it too! There are some women who have been sold a bill of goods that you can have everything. NO ONE in life can have everything. Men pay a price for the decisions we make, and women do as well. Life is fill of trade-offs. My Father's favorite saying was the Life is a Choice of AVAILABLE alternatives. You can decide you want to be the Queen of England, and complain bitterly that somehow the patriarchy is preventing this from happening, but that doesn't make it so. My ex-wife (before she entered her radical feminist phase) eagerly made the deal for me to be the wage earner and her to be the stay-at-home. No one coerced her into it, she was the one who proposed that arrangement, wanted it and urged me to embrace it. I learned later it was because she had some deep seated fears about the competitiveness of the working world, and feminism gave her the perfect cover for those fears. But, perhaps most importantly, discussions like these often revolve around the argument that women's work is unpaid at home, as both Mothers and care-givers. And in financial terms, it is. But in life terms, it is not unpaid. The bond that is formed between two partners, one who works and one who stays home, is a deep bond. I know couples where the male is the stay-at-home......and that works as well. To view all of life in simple dollars and cents terms is wrong and terribly incomplete. My bottom line about men and women, about the patriarchy and feminism, is really that there is so much complexity involved, and so much variety in male-female relations that it becomes almost impossible to generalize. Books that purport to bash one side or the other are all too often just not worth the effort because they usually have some other agenda hidden underneath. All I can aspire to is a world where men and women are free to choose the lives they want, given the realities of life. But, one must always recognize the realities of life. [/QUOTE]
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