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Book recommendation: Invisible Women - a very well sourced book on bias (specifically gender bias)
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<blockquote data-quote="Technut1990" data-source="post: 612093" data-attributes="member: 3774"><p>I think what strikes me as I read the excerpts you posted is that we, in society, tend to look for proof of negativity and impact which supports our innate belief. These excerpts make me think of less boisterous/meek men in the positions of the women in these writings.</p><p></p><p>The fact is that the strong and purpose of mind type people are usually the ones who come out on top. In each case cited in the excerpts a meek man would have been treated with the same dismissals. I think a few factors are at play not the least would be associative research activities. What I Mean is that if there are 15 women working under the auspices of one man, that one man will get credit for everyone’s work, the same would be true if 15 men worked for the same man - he gets the credit.</p><p></p><p>I’m sure if a student discovers the secret to propulsion which is environmental and cheap, his or hers professor will get the credit.</p><p></p><p>Another factor is less scientific but no less true, in my opinion. During the development of our societies throughout the world, men have been the gender expected to bear the load, injuries and deaths brought to bear when settling the land, from fighting the elements and building shelter.</p><p></p><p>Men were the same ones expected to be the hunter gatherer as the women ensured safety and warm for the offspring in the cave. Men fought the bears and wolves and provided the protection to the family. That mindset has carried forward throughout time, not by an attempt to demean or relegate but because strength and physical requirements called for it.</p><p></p><p>Even in our everyday lives women of today still look at men to fill similar roles. Men are expected to cut the grass, weed eat, trim trees, build the garage, open the mayo jar etc....... these are task that women call on men to do - generally.</p><p></p><p>It may indeed be true that today women who want to fill the responsibility roles are looked at differently, because it is different. It’s no different then men trying to tell women they will clean the house and take care of the kids, even women hesitantly step aside and let the man do it, as they cross their fingers.</p><p></p><p>My thesis on this matter is that now, in the modern world, are these expectations changing and it’s not that men or women seek to suppress or depress the others participation but that roles are what they are by necessity and that necessity is just now becoming less of a need.</p><p></p><p>But in the end, houses are built with 7 or 8 ft doorways because the man building the adjoining room has to get into it, you never build or make something that you yourself can’t use and if these roles were completely reversed today, a doorway would be built high enough to allow a man to walk through.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Technut1990, post: 612093, member: 3774"] I think what strikes me as I read the excerpts you posted is that we, in society, tend to look for proof of negativity and impact which supports our innate belief. These excerpts make me think of less boisterous/meek men in the positions of the women in these writings. The fact is that the strong and purpose of mind type people are usually the ones who come out on top. In each case cited in the excerpts a meek man would have been treated with the same dismissals. I think a few factors are at play not the least would be associative research activities. What I Mean is that if there are 15 women working under the auspices of one man, that one man will get credit for everyone’s work, the same would be true if 15 men worked for the same man - he gets the credit. I’m sure if a student discovers the secret to propulsion which is environmental and cheap, his or hers professor will get the credit. Another factor is less scientific but no less true, in my opinion. During the development of our societies throughout the world, men have been the gender expected to bear the load, injuries and deaths brought to bear when settling the land, from fighting the elements and building shelter. Men were the same ones expected to be the hunter gatherer as the women ensured safety and warm for the offspring in the cave. Men fought the bears and wolves and provided the protection to the family. That mindset has carried forward throughout time, not by an attempt to demean or relegate but because strength and physical requirements called for it. Even in our everyday lives women of today still look at men to fill similar roles. Men are expected to cut the grass, weed eat, trim trees, build the garage, open the mayo jar etc....... these are task that women call on men to do - generally. It may indeed be true that today women who want to fill the responsibility roles are looked at differently, because it is different. It’s no different then men trying to tell women they will clean the house and take care of the kids, even women hesitantly step aside and let the man do it, as they cross their fingers. My thesis on this matter is that now, in the modern world, are these expectations changing and it’s not that men or women seek to suppress or depress the others participation but that roles are what they are by necessity and that necessity is just now becoming less of a need. But in the end, houses are built with 7 or 8 ft doorways because the man building the adjoining room has to get into it, you never build or make something that you yourself can’t use and if these roles were completely reversed today, a doorway would be built high enough to allow a man to walk through. [/QUOTE]
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