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Book recommendation: Invisible Women - a very well sourced book on bias (specifically gender bias)
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<blockquote data-quote="LibertyTurns" data-source="post: 611480" data-attributes="member: 789"><p>The problem with gender bias is it’s way oversold. These people systematically compared apples to oranges and it just turned people off, sadly much in the same way our nation’s racial dialogue has gone.</p><p></p><p>Here’s some alternative questions:</p><p></p><p>A. Why should someone that works 180 days a year get paid the same amount as a person that works 265 days a year?</p><p>B. Why should you pay someone in management more if they have less tenure? Does experience not count?</p><p>C. One person works in a physically demanding job that over time wears your body down the other does not. Should they be paid the same?</p><p>D. One person gets here early every day to cover the people on OT at work at 5am or stays until 6pm with those working late, the other cannot arrive until 8am due to personal reasons and cannot stay late for the same reasons. Do you pay them the same?</p><p></p><p>I tell you what I face every year & that’s a gender equity analysis before pay raises can be administered. Now the rationale behind it is admirable, pay equity. We do a fantastic job of compensating high performing female employees, because I understand the challenges & develop my Team not biased towards diversity but I assemble them with different philosophies and approaches which leads to gender diversity naturally. I’d stack our record against anyone. But what it does it diminishes the high performers & raises the low performers to squash them all in a box. We’d be a lot better off with a straight across the board raise percentage & the hell with performance.</p><p></p><p>This gender bias this is a crock. You book may be just fine, but what makes your case difficult [USER=3901]@yrp[/USER] are the decades of baiters that did not present facts but irrationally spewed BS to the extent that people stopped listening & chose up sides. They did not examine the root causes & effectively addressed them. They demanded an outcome not an opportunity. Once again the core of our country’s main issues, an outcome not an opportunity. </p><p></p><p>Some female could have launched Apple, but the fact is she didn't. It certainly wasn’t because America held her back.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LibertyTurns, post: 611480, member: 789"] The problem with gender bias is it’s way oversold. These people systematically compared apples to oranges and it just turned people off, sadly much in the same way our nation’s racial dialogue has gone. Here’s some alternative questions: A. Why should someone that works 180 days a year get paid the same amount as a person that works 265 days a year? B. Why should you pay someone in management more if they have less tenure? Does experience not count? C. One person works in a physically demanding job that over time wears your body down the other does not. Should they be paid the same? D. One person gets here early every day to cover the people on OT at work at 5am or stays until 6pm with those working late, the other cannot arrive until 8am due to personal reasons and cannot stay late for the same reasons. Do you pay them the same? I tell you what I face every year & that’s a gender equity analysis before pay raises can be administered. Now the rationale behind it is admirable, pay equity. We do a fantastic job of compensating high performing female employees, because I understand the challenges & develop my Team not biased towards diversity but I assemble them with different philosophies and approaches which leads to gender diversity naturally. I’d stack our record against anyone. But what it does it diminishes the high performers & raises the low performers to squash them all in a box. We’d be a lot better off with a straight across the board raise percentage & the hell with performance. This gender bias this is a crock. You book may be just fine, but what makes your case difficult [USER=3901]@yrp[/USER] are the decades of baiters that did not present facts but irrationally spewed BS to the extent that people stopped listening & chose up sides. They did not examine the root causes & effectively addressed them. They demanded an outcome not an opportunity. Once again the core of our country’s main issues, an outcome not an opportunity. Some female could have launched Apple, but the fact is she didn't. It certainly wasn’t because America held her back. [/QUOTE]
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