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<blockquote data-quote="AE 87" data-source="post: 346504" data-attributes="member: 195"><p>Let's get back on target. Here is the quote from Kaepernick from last year (<a href="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem" target="_blank">link</a>):</p><p style="margin-left: 20px">"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."</p><p>The premise of the protest is that the country "oppresses black people and people of color."</p><p></p><p>All of this stuff about taking the knee is respectful, is complete nonsense. It is a re-writing history. The NFL teams and owners who locked arms in protest against our flag this past Sunday, locked arms in tacit support to the idea that our nation oppresses black people and people of color.</p><p></p><p>In the 1960's, people protested the Vietnam conflict by burning the American flag. I disagreed with that then, but at least they had hard data points: the American military was taking action in Vietnam, and national law was compelling draft-age young men to joint the fight.</p><p></p><p>So, for [USER=26]@ATL1[/USER] and [USER=11]@kg01[/USER] and others who have said that there is a legitimate protest, lay it out. Let's have the conversation. Let's not just dismiss each other. If we can't have the conversation here as anonymous people who are yet bonded together by being fans of the same team, how can the conversation ever take place?</p><p></p><p>Let me begin. I have previously made long posts in which I lay out the case for the presence of systemic racism. I also made the case that much of the racial inequity of today's society can be traced to government action, especially from the back hand of New Deal policies, some of which helped African Americans with the open hand. So, I am not going to pretend that racial inequity doesn't exist, or that there aren't actual issues that need to be dealt with. However, I don't see evidence that the nation is actually oppressing people because of their skin color today.</p><p></p><p>So, anyone, make the case. Thesis: America oppresses black people and people of color.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AE 87, post: 346504, member: 195"] Let's get back on target. Here is the quote from Kaepernick from last year ([URL='http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem']link[/URL]): [INDENT]"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."[/INDENT] The premise of the protest is that the country "oppresses black people and people of color." All of this stuff about taking the knee is respectful, is complete nonsense. It is a re-writing history. The NFL teams and owners who locked arms in protest against our flag this past Sunday, locked arms in tacit support to the idea that our nation oppresses black people and people of color. In the 1960's, people protested the Vietnam conflict by burning the American flag. I disagreed with that then, but at least they had hard data points: the American military was taking action in Vietnam, and national law was compelling draft-age young men to joint the fight. So, for [USER=26]@ATL1[/USER] and [USER=11]@kg01[/USER] and others who have said that there is a legitimate protest, lay it out. Let's have the conversation. Let's not just dismiss each other. If we can't have the conversation here as anonymous people who are yet bonded together by being fans of the same team, how can the conversation ever take place? Let me begin. I have previously made long posts in which I lay out the case for the presence of systemic racism. I also made the case that much of the racial inequity of today's society can be traced to government action, especially from the back hand of New Deal policies, some of which helped African Americans with the open hand. So, I am not going to pretend that racial inequity doesn't exist, or that there aren't actual issues that need to be dealt with. However, I don't see evidence that the nation is actually oppressing people because of their skin color today. So, anyone, make the case. Thesis: America oppresses black people and people of color. [/QUOTE]
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