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<blockquote data-quote="Deleted member 2897" data-source="post: 573258"><p>OK, lets break it further down.</p><p></p><p>When I argued with your assertion that Trump's tax cuts hurt Medicare's solvency, you did indeed respond with the assertion that tax changes hurt...after like 8 lines of spending arguments. So okay, throw out all those - that was the strawman. I am not disputing our spending is out of control.</p><p></p><p>Back to the tax revenue part - the reason I disagree with you even though you have a link you can cite, is that the link is talking <em>projections</em>. If you look at <em>actual</em> tax revenue, payroll tax revenue, etc., it is significantly higher. Like not even a small amount. There are not only higher wages for 150 million Americans on average, there are another 4 million working now, with all that tax revenue.</p><p></p><p>Then you go on to argue I'm disputing Medicare's solvency. No, I'm also not saying that. I'm saying its the worst run Federal Government program of all time. And the data says that. All I'm disputing is that Trump's tax rate cuts hurt the program. That is demonstrably false. Only someone's <em>projections</em> are worse. The actual revenue is higher. Remember, these same people said the stock market would crash when Trump was elected, that the trade wars would hurt the economy, that his tax rate cut would obliterate tax revenue. All these <em>projections</em> are false.</p><p></p><p>Actual payroll tax revenue this fiscal year (ending June 30th) is on pace to be around $3,5 Trillion dollars. It was $3.3 Trillion last year. It was $2.1 Trillion in 2010.</p><p></p><p>Tax <em>revenue</em> is not the problem. The problem is that we only charge 1/3rd the actual costs of the program. And every month thousands and thousands and thousands of more people sign up for it as they reach the enrollment age.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Deleted member 2897, post: 573258"] OK, lets break it further down. When I argued with your assertion that Trump's tax cuts hurt Medicare's solvency, you did indeed respond with the assertion that tax changes hurt...after like 8 lines of spending arguments. So okay, throw out all those - that was the strawman. I am not disputing our spending is out of control. Back to the tax revenue part - the reason I disagree with you even though you have a link you can cite, is that the link is talking [I]projections[/I]. If you look at [I]actual[/I] tax revenue, payroll tax revenue, etc., it is significantly higher. Like not even a small amount. There are not only higher wages for 150 million Americans on average, there are another 4 million working now, with all that tax revenue. Then you go on to argue I'm disputing Medicare's solvency. No, I'm also not saying that. I'm saying its the worst run Federal Government program of all time. And the data says that. All I'm disputing is that Trump's tax rate cuts hurt the program. That is demonstrably false. Only someone's [I]projections[/I] are worse. The actual revenue is higher. Remember, these same people said the stock market would crash when Trump was elected, that the trade wars would hurt the economy, that his tax rate cut would obliterate tax revenue. All these [I]projections[/I] are false. Actual payroll tax revenue this fiscal year (ending June 30th) is on pace to be around $3,5 Trillion dollars. It was $3.3 Trillion last year. It was $2.1 Trillion in 2010. Tax [I]revenue[/I] is not the problem. The problem is that we only charge 1/3rd the actual costs of the program. And every month thousands and thousands and thousands of more people sign up for it as they reach the enrollment age. [/QUOTE]
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