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<blockquote data-quote="MWBATL" data-source="post: 564811" data-attributes="member: 944"><p>Perhaps some of it is fear mongering. I do try to do reading where possible and uncover as many facts as I can from all sites. But there are trends I find disturbing...</p><p></p><p>What I was specifically referring to here was the "Oregon bakery case" as well as a similar one in Colorado. Gay couple goes to on Oregon bakery and asks them to make them a wedding cake. According to everything I researched, the bakery owners were very polite, but refused on religious grounds...but offered to recommend and even contact other bakeries on their behalf. Apparently, the gay couple was initially OK with this, until some of their more activist friends heard about it and brought the bakery up for a civil rights violation. If I am not mistaken, the gay couple was quite hesitant to bring up as far as it went. But activists sought to make an example of it. This is obviously a case of intersecting rights in conflict, not a simple case of religious persecution, and as such is subject to differences of opinion. But the zeal with which the case was pursued was frightening to me, resulting in fines of $150,000 and putting the bakery out of business. Why? For following their own religious beliefs.</p><p></p><p>In a similar case in Colorado, the Supreme Court in a narrow decision over-ruled the Civil Rights Commission there and found them in violation of the defendants' religious liberty. </p><p><em>The Supreme Court of the United States has ended a five-year legal battle in the Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission case, ruling that the commission’s actions violated the Free Exercise Clause.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The court is not deciding the big issue in the case, whether a business can invoke religious objections to refuse service to gay and lesbian people.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote the opinion for the court, which voted 7-2 to reverse a lower court's ruling. Justices Ginsburg and Sotomayor dissented. The justices' limited ruling turned on what the court described as anti-religious bias on the Colorado Civil Rights Commission when it ruled against baker Jack Phillips.</em></p><p></p><p>So, there are such cases. I suspect the Oregon case will also wind up before the SCOTUS, and it will be interesting indeed to see how they rule.</p><p></p><p>Further, there was the recent controversy in Pennsylvania about the prayer made before a new representative to their State House was sworn in. The new representative is Muslim, and the prayer was Christian (and was a bit heavy handed)...but then later a Muslim prayer was offered and no one said a peep. Somehow, praying before an assembly (which is standard practice for that body) should not be politicized...yet apparently, it was a problem for the Dems because it was a Muslim about to be sworn in...</p><p></p><p>So, while I have not heard anyone proposing to overturn the Constitution, I have witnessed many grey areas which seem to be shading more and more into religious discrimination.</p><p></p><p>In a similar vein, the current movie about abortion (<u>Unplanned</u>, I believe it is named) could not get any major network to accept advertising for the movie. These types of things disturb me and if the networks refused a progressive cause in the same way I believe the outrage would be hysterical. (not funny, but very loud and very angry)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MWBATL, post: 564811, member: 944"] Perhaps some of it is fear mongering. I do try to do reading where possible and uncover as many facts as I can from all sites. But there are trends I find disturbing... What I was specifically referring to here was the "Oregon bakery case" as well as a similar one in Colorado. Gay couple goes to on Oregon bakery and asks them to make them a wedding cake. According to everything I researched, the bakery owners were very polite, but refused on religious grounds...but offered to recommend and even contact other bakeries on their behalf. Apparently, the gay couple was initially OK with this, until some of their more activist friends heard about it and brought the bakery up for a civil rights violation. If I am not mistaken, the gay couple was quite hesitant to bring up as far as it went. But activists sought to make an example of it. This is obviously a case of intersecting rights in conflict, not a simple case of religious persecution, and as such is subject to differences of opinion. But the zeal with which the case was pursued was frightening to me, resulting in fines of $150,000 and putting the bakery out of business. Why? For following their own religious beliefs. In a similar case in Colorado, the Supreme Court in a narrow decision over-ruled the Civil Rights Commission there and found them in violation of the defendants' religious liberty. [I]The Supreme Court of the United States has ended a five-year legal battle in the Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission case, ruling that the commission’s actions violated the Free Exercise Clause. The court is not deciding the big issue in the case, whether a business can invoke religious objections to refuse service to gay and lesbian people. Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote the opinion for the court, which voted 7-2 to reverse a lower court's ruling. Justices Ginsburg and Sotomayor dissented. The justices' limited ruling turned on what the court described as anti-religious bias on the Colorado Civil Rights Commission when it ruled against baker Jack Phillips.[/I] So, there are such cases. I suspect the Oregon case will also wind up before the SCOTUS, and it will be interesting indeed to see how they rule. Further, there was the recent controversy in Pennsylvania about the prayer made before a new representative to their State House was sworn in. The new representative is Muslim, and the prayer was Christian (and was a bit heavy handed)...but then later a Muslim prayer was offered and no one said a peep. Somehow, praying before an assembly (which is standard practice for that body) should not be politicized...yet apparently, it was a problem for the Dems because it was a Muslim about to be sworn in... So, while I have not heard anyone proposing to overturn the Constitution, I have witnessed many grey areas which seem to be shading more and more into religious discrimination. In a similar vein, the current movie about abortion ([U]Unplanned[/U], I believe it is named) could not get any major network to accept advertising for the movie. These types of things disturb me and if the networks refused a progressive cause in the same way I believe the outrage would be hysterical. (not funny, but very loud and very angry) [/QUOTE]
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