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<blockquote data-quote="RonJohn" data-source="post: 476168" data-attributes="member: 2426"><p>I haven't taken the time to fully read the study paper. However, looking at the data at the end of the study, every single university that he has data for had an increase in applications from 2001 to 2009. He has a chart that shows from 2001 to 2009 that the number of high school graduates increased and that the number of college applications skyrocketed. At the beginning of his study he states:</p><p>I still don't buy that football success leads to a large increase in applications. However, the above quote tells me that even if there is an increase in applications based on sports that the additional applicants based on sports aren't going to be able to be accepted at GT, Alabama, Auburn, or even at the mutts school. The acceptance rate at GT is about 33%. At Alabama it is about 54%. At Auburn it is about 78%. At the mutts it is about 53%. Even if there is a 10 or 20% increase in applications, no more students are going to get in. Therefore it will not have an affect on the student population.(Auburn might be an exception since their acceptance rate is so high--It could be that they only reject people who do not qualify)</p><p></p><p>Most colleges and universities have experienced a very large boom in applications. Those good at football have. Those mediocre at football have. Those bad at football have. Those who don't even have a football program have. From what I saw in Chung's paper from a quick skimming he only compared applications based on winning or non-winning seasons at a particular school(ND for example). ND applications increased overall, but increased more two years after good seasons than two years after a bad season. I didn't see any comparison between schools with good football programs in general and schools with mediocre or bad programs. I know that the bad program schools have experienced similar gains in applications.</p><p></p><p>The Forbes article you linked to provided information from the summary of the paper without the reasoning and detail in the paper. From my initial skimming, I think the paper excludes some data and takes the data that it does include to be more meaningful than it should in the conclusions. I won't have time until next week to give it a thorough reading, but I till read it middle of next week.</p><p></p><p>I don't think I was "calling" anyone out. I was simply responding with actual data. As I stated, I haven't had an opportunity to review Chung's paper in detail, but I have very little faith in a Forbe's article that basically summarizes his conclusions without including any of the reasoning. If Chung's details can convince me, then fine. However, I don't put much faith in anything that I google without having a thorough understanding of it. You can't believe everything you read on the internet, even at sites such as Forbes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RonJohn, post: 476168, member: 2426"] I haven't taken the time to fully read the study paper. However, looking at the data at the end of the study, every single university that he has data for had an increase in applications from 2001 to 2009. He has a chart that shows from 2001 to 2009 that the number of high school graduates increased and that the number of college applications skyrocketed. At the beginning of his study he states: I still don't buy that football success leads to a large increase in applications. However, the above quote tells me that even if there is an increase in applications based on sports that the additional applicants based on sports aren't going to be able to be accepted at GT, Alabama, Auburn, or even at the mutts school. The acceptance rate at GT is about 33%. At Alabama it is about 54%. At Auburn it is about 78%. At the mutts it is about 53%. Even if there is a 10 or 20% increase in applications, no more students are going to get in. Therefore it will not have an affect on the student population.(Auburn might be an exception since their acceptance rate is so high--It could be that they only reject people who do not qualify) Most colleges and universities have experienced a very large boom in applications. Those good at football have. Those mediocre at football have. Those bad at football have. Those who don't even have a football program have. From what I saw in Chung's paper from a quick skimming he only compared applications based on winning or non-winning seasons at a particular school(ND for example). ND applications increased overall, but increased more two years after good seasons than two years after a bad season. I didn't see any comparison between schools with good football programs in general and schools with mediocre or bad programs. I know that the bad program schools have experienced similar gains in applications. The Forbes article you linked to provided information from the summary of the paper without the reasoning and detail in the paper. From my initial skimming, I think the paper excludes some data and takes the data that it does include to be more meaningful than it should in the conclusions. I won't have time until next week to give it a thorough reading, but I till read it middle of next week. I don't think I was "calling" anyone out. I was simply responding with actual data. As I stated, I haven't had an opportunity to review Chung's paper in detail, but I have very little faith in a Forbe's article that basically summarizes his conclusions without including any of the reasoning. If Chung's details can convince me, then fine. However, I don't put much faith in anything that I google without having a thorough understanding of it. You can't believe everything you read on the internet, even at sites such as Forbes. [/QUOTE]
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