ACC QB Rankings Week 4

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The ESPN QBR is purely from stats, and King had an 86 QBR, but that doesn’t count what was effectively a pick 6/fumble/backward pass that wasn’t credited to him in the box score.

Even with that, King is having a great year.

Cam Ward is playing at a Heisman tier. King is playing at a top 25 tier. There are other QBs in the ACC playing at a high level. I don’t think I’d put Klubnik #2. I think other ACC quarterbacks would do more behind center at Clemson. Ward also has the benefit of being surrounded by talent, but he makes the team around him a lot better.

I didn’t feel like the USA Today writer watched a lot of ACC football in putting together their list.

I’d group them more like

S+ tier
Cam Ward

A tier
Haynes King
Castellanos (BC)
Shough (Louisville)

A- tier
Klubnik (stats are awesome, but against AppState and NCST)
Mendoza (Cal)
McCord (Syr).

B tier
Holstein (Pitt)


C tier
Jennings (SMU)
Colandrea (UVa)
Bachmeier (Wake)

D tier
Criswell (UNC)
Drones (VT)
Uiagalelei (FSU)

F tier
McCall (NCST)
Daniels (Stan)
 
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slugboy said:
The ESPN QBR is purely from stats, and King had an 86 QBR, but that doesn’t count what was effectively a pick 6/fumble/backward pass that wasn’t credited to him in the box score.

Even with that, King is having a great year.

Cam Ward is playing at a Heisman tier. King is playing at a top 25 tier. There are other QBs in the ACC playing at a high level. I don’t think I’d put Klubnik #2. I think other ACC quarterbacks would do more behind center at Clemson. Ward also has the benefit of being surrounded by talent, but he makes the team around him a lot better.

I didn’t feel like the USA Today writer watched a lot of ACC football in putting together their list.

I’d group them more like

S+ tier
Cam Ward

A tier
Haynes King
Castellanos (BC)
Shough (Louisville)

A- tier
Klubnik (stats are awesome, but against AppState and NCST)
Mendoza (Cal)
McCord (Syr).

B tier
Holstein (Pitt)


C tier
Jennings (SMU)
Colandrea (UVa)
Bachmeier (Wake)

D tier
Criswell (UNC)
Drones (VT)
Uiagalelei (FSU)

F tier
McCall (NCST)
Daniels (Stan)
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Where does Malik Murphy af Duke fit?
 
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slugboy said:
The ESPN QBR is purely from stats, and King had an 86 QBR, but that doesn’t count what was effectively a pick 6/fumble/backward pass that wasn’t credited to him in the box score.

Even with that, King is having a great year.

Cam Ward is playing at a Heisman tier. King is playing at a top 25 tier. There are other QBs in the ACC playing at a high level. I don’t think I’d put Klubnik #2. I think other ACC quarterbacks would do more behind center at Clemson. Ward also has the benefit of being surrounded by talent, but he makes the team around him a lot better.

I didn’t feel like the USA Today writer watched a lot of ACC football in putting together their list.

I’d group them more like

S+ tier
Cam Ward

A tier
Haynes King
Castellanos (BC)
Shough (Louisville)

A- tier
Klubnik (stats are awesome, but against AppState and NCST)
Mendoza (Cal)
McCord (Syr).

B tier
Holstein (Pitt)


C tier
Jennings (SMU)
Colandrea (UVa)
Bachmeier (Wake)

D tier
Criswell (UNC)
Drones (VT)
Uiagalelei (FSU)

F tier
McCall (NCST)
Daniels (Stan)
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King did not have his best game last Saturday. I wonder how much was him trying to make it happen. I honestly scratch my head at why we don't fill the air with passes until the opponents loosen up the run D. We can do that. Our passing game is solid.
 
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Techster said:
Remember the Jamie Chadwell coaching debate that he got lucky having Grayson McCall at Coastal Carolina so we needed to take Chadwell's record there with a grain of salt? Yeah, that didn't age too well...
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QB ratings are partially a team stat. He might be getting NFL attention at Liberty.
 
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Ward is the only one I’d take over King.

Castallanos is really dangerous and the next up for me, but completes less than King.

I like scrambling too much to take Shroud or McCord, especially with the DL pressure on our schedule.
 

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slugboy said:
The ESPN QBR is purely from stats, and King had an 86 QBR, but that doesn’t count what was effectively a pick 6/fumble/backward pass that wasn’t credited to him in the box score.

Even with that, King is having a great year.

Cam Ward is playing at a Heisman tier. King is playing at a top 25 tier. There are other QBs in the ACC playing at a high level. I don’t think I’d put Klubnik #2. I think other ACC quarterbacks would do more behind center at Clemson. Ward also has the benefit of being surrounded by talent, but he makes the team around him a lot better.

I didn’t feel like the USA Today writer watched a lot of ACC football in putting together their list.

I’d group them more like

S+ tier
Cam Ward

A tier
Haynes King
Castellanos (BC)
Shough (Louisville)

A- tier
Klubnik (stats are awesome, but against AppState and NCST)
Mendoza (Cal)
McCord (Syr).

B tier
Holstein (Pitt)


C tier
Jennings (SMU)
Colandrea (UVa)
Bachmeier (Wake)

D tier
Criswell (UNC)
Drones (VT)
Uiagalelei (FSU)

F tier
McCall (NCST)
Daniels (Stan)
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I watched the entire Syracuse vs. Stanford game. Daniels, the Stanford quarterback is the worst quarterback I have seen this year. The only way that Stanford won was they shut down, I mean really shut down that supposedly all world hybrid tight end/receiver of Syracuse, the one that is so tall. Plus, Daniels heaved a ball in the general direction of a wide receiver that Syracuse let run free like in a fraternity flag football game and he caught the ball to set up the winning score. If we played Stanford, I think we would beat them pretty handily but we could not even handle Syracuse so it matters not.
 
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slugboy said:
The ESPN QBR is purely from stats, and King had an 86 QBR, but that doesn’t count what was effectively a pick 6/fumble/backward pass that wasn’t credited to him in the box score.

Even with that, King is having a great year.

Cam Ward is playing at a Heisman tier. King is playing at a top 25 tier. There are other QBs in the ACC playing at a high level. I don’t think I’d put Klubnik #2. I think other ACC quarterbacks would do more behind center at Clemson. Ward also has the benefit of being surrounded by talent, but he makes the team around him a lot better.

I didn’t feel like the USA Today writer watched a lot of ACC football in putting together their list.

I’d group them more like

S+ tier
Cam Ward

A tier
Haynes King
Castellanos (BC)
Shough (Louisville)

A- tier
Klubnik (stats are awesome, but against AppState and NCST)
Mendoza (Cal)
McCord (Syr).

B tier
Holstein (Pitt)


C tier
Jennings (SMU)
Colandrea (UVa)
Bachmeier (Wake)

D tier
Criswell (UNC)
Drones (VT)
Uiagalelei (FSU)

F tier
McCall (NCST)
Daniels (Stan)
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My thoughts align fairly well with yours on this. Before last Saturday I would have rated McCord closer to King’s level, but still give the nod to King for his overall contribution to our offense. McCord seems to be a bit better as a pure passer – he certainly showed that in our game. But he did not have a great game last weekend.

To your point, the stats used by the article don’t properly factor in the talent around the QB.
 
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