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<blockquote data-quote="JacketOff" data-source="post: 760107" data-attributes="member: 4572"><p>First of all, I’m not defending giving up 4 PPD lmao. Not sure why you think that. I’m saying that the performance in 2020 is not that much worse, if worse at all, than the performance in 2018. But regarding third downs, it’s not relevant that the 2018 Clemson team had fewer third down opportunities than total drives? Meaning Tech’s defense was so inadequate at stopping them that they couldn’t even average one third down per drive? That means Clemson was getting first downs at will, with basically no opposition. It’s like playing against air.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course the first half PPD data is better in 2018 than 2020. <em>Trevor Lawrence didn’t start. </em>I‘ve already covered that. Lawrence didn’t even get in the game until there were 11 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. He then led 4 first half drives, 3 of them resulted in touchdowns with 1 ending on an interception. Lawrence played 2 drives in the second half, the first one and the last one. Both were touchdowns. That’s 5 touchdowns in 6 drives, or 83% of drives since you’re so numbers oriented. Lawrence led 11 drives in 2020 (coincidentally the same amount Clemson had total in 2018 and only scored 3 more points) and 7 of them led to touchdowns. That’s 63%. So the 2020 defense was able to stop the junior version of Trevor Lawrence from scoring touchdowns at a better clip than the 2018 team was at stopping the freshman version. The 2020 team also forced an interception, a punt, and a field goal while Lawrence was in the game. The 2018 team only had 1 interception. That’s 16% of drives where Lawrence was “shut down” compared to 27% in 2020.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Clemson’s 2018 second half run/pass split was 24/11. In 2020 that split is 18/22. That means that Clemson threw <em>more </em>passes than they had runs in 2020. In 2018 they had double the running plays as they did passing plays. Plus the 2 fourth-down conversions and it’s very obvious Clemson was trying to score as much and as quickly as possible in 2020 when they simply didn’t do that in 2018. It’s not disingenuous. You’re just not looking, and you’re ignoring to the total and main points in my post.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I admitted my mistake, lmao. But your entire argument depends solely on that mistake mattering. It doesn’t, and it doesn’t matter for what I’m trying to say, which is that the 2018 defense got whipped up and down the field *just as bad* if not *worse* than the 2020 defense did. This is evident, I’ve provided numerous sources and validations for my argument. If you want to call me disingenuous or get on your high horse some more then that’s great. I don’t care. It doesn’t matter to me. I never wanted to have this argument in the first place. It’s dumb, and it’s part of what I was trying to avoid in my original comment anyway. The truth is that Georgia, Clemson, and Minnesota whipped CPJ’s team’s a$$ in 2018 just like Georgia and VT in 2019 and Clemson in 2020 have whipped CGC’s a$$. <strong>My original point was that CPJ’s offense was able to hide these a$$ whippings on the scoreboard better because of the offense he ran, while CGC’s teams aren’t able to do that, therefore it looks like his teams are underperforming much worse than they actually are.</strong> That was the entire reason for my original post. I don’t care about a 0.6 PPD difference. I don’t care about FEI or S&P+ ratings. I don’t even care about slight numerical differences between games played 2 years apart. They’re irrelevant to what I was trying to say anyway.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JacketOff, post: 760107, member: 4572"] First of all, I’m not defending giving up 4 PPD lmao. Not sure why you think that. I’m saying that the performance in 2020 is not that much worse, if worse at all, than the performance in 2018. But regarding third downs, it’s not relevant that the 2018 Clemson team had fewer third down opportunities than total drives? Meaning Tech’s defense was so inadequate at stopping them that they couldn’t even average one third down per drive? That means Clemson was getting first downs at will, with basically no opposition. It’s like playing against air. Of course the first half PPD data is better in 2018 than 2020. [I]Trevor Lawrence didn’t start. [/I]I‘ve already covered that. Lawrence didn’t even get in the game until there were 11 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. He then led 4 first half drives, 3 of them resulted in touchdowns with 1 ending on an interception. Lawrence played 2 drives in the second half, the first one and the last one. Both were touchdowns. That’s 5 touchdowns in 6 drives, or 83% of drives since you’re so numbers oriented. Lawrence led 11 drives in 2020 (coincidentally the same amount Clemson had total in 2018 and only scored 3 more points) and 7 of them led to touchdowns. That’s 63%. So the 2020 defense was able to stop the junior version of Trevor Lawrence from scoring touchdowns at a better clip than the 2018 team was at stopping the freshman version. The 2020 team also forced an interception, a punt, and a field goal while Lawrence was in the game. The 2018 team only had 1 interception. That’s 16% of drives where Lawrence was “shut down” compared to 27% in 2020. Clemson’s 2018 second half run/pass split was 24/11. In 2020 that split is 18/22. That means that Clemson threw [I]more [/I]passes than they had runs in 2020. In 2018 they had double the running plays as they did passing plays. Plus the 2 fourth-down conversions and it’s very obvious Clemson was trying to score as much and as quickly as possible in 2020 when they simply didn’t do that in 2018. It’s not disingenuous. You’re just not looking, and you’re ignoring to the total and main points in my post. I admitted my mistake, lmao. But your entire argument depends solely on that mistake mattering. It doesn’t, and it doesn’t matter for what I’m trying to say, which is that the 2018 defense got whipped up and down the field *just as bad* if not *worse* than the 2020 defense did. This is evident, I’ve provided numerous sources and validations for my argument. If you want to call me disingenuous or get on your high horse some more then that’s great. I don’t care. It doesn’t matter to me. I never wanted to have this argument in the first place. It’s dumb, and it’s part of what I was trying to avoid in my original comment anyway. The truth is that Georgia, Clemson, and Minnesota whipped CPJ’s team’s a$$ in 2018 just like Georgia and VT in 2019 and Clemson in 2020 have whipped CGC’s a$$. [B]My original point was that CPJ’s offense was able to hide these a$$ whippings on the scoreboard better because of the offense he ran, while CGC’s teams aren’t able to do that, therefore it looks like his teams are underperforming much worse than they actually are.[/B] That was the entire reason for my original post. I don’t care about a 0.6 PPD difference. I don’t care about FEI or S&P+ ratings. I don’t even care about slight numerical differences between games played 2 years apart. They’re irrelevant to what I was trying to say anyway. [/QUOTE]
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