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<blockquote data-quote="JacketOff" data-source="post: 756544" data-attributes="member: 4572"><p>In CPJs last 5 years he was:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">1-4 vs. Duke</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">2-3 vs. Miami</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">2-3 vs. North Carolina</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">2-3 vs. Pitt</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">3-2 vs. Virginia</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">4-1 vs. Virginia Tech</li> </ul><p>That’s 14-16 against the Coastal over the last 5 years of his tenure. Add in Georgia and Clemson</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">0-5 vs. Clemson</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">1-4 vs. Georgia</li> </ul><p>That’s 15-25 against his annual opponents over his last 5 years. Winning records against only 2 of his 8 annual opponents. How exactly was CPJ winning? I understand the Clemson and UGAg losses. Nobody really expects Tech to compete with those 2. But CPJ wasn’t even competing in the Coastal anymore. PJ relied on rotating Atlantic opponents, and G5 and FCS wins to make his yearly records respectable. Teams that didn’t see the 3O and didn’t know how to prepare for it. His annual opponents were no longer fooled by the “scheme” and knew how to compete against it. CPJ was a .500 coach against the FBS. Is that good? I don’t think so. It’s average. I’ve pointed out that Tech was one of the most average teams in CFB during the last half of CPJs tenure. The data backs that up.</p><p></p><p>The point? If you’re ok with having an average, forgettable football program, then go back to 3O and play .500 ball in-conference and beat up on a G5 team and an FCs team every year and be satisfied with 7 wins. That what CPJ did for the last 8 years of his career at Tech. If you’re ok with that, then I can see why you’re p*ssed off about what’s currently happening. I think the ceiling <em>and </em>floor for Georgia Tech’s football team is higher than that. I think Tech can be a legitimate contender in the Coastal every year. That means having a winning record against Coastal opponents. CPJ was not doing that towards the end. IMO, being an average program is not much better than being a bad program. I don’t believe there’s much more incentive in being a 7 win team than a 4 win team <strong>if you’re trying something different. </strong>As [USER=1414]@ilovetheoption[/USER] pointed out, we’re trying another experiment. I don’t believe that CGC <em>has to</em> or <em>will be </em>the guy that completely turns Georgia Tech football around. But I am pretty sure he <em>is </em>the right guy to put Tech in a position to find out if this experiment is a sustainable option. The talent on the team is much higher than it was under CPJ. If it turns out that CGC isn’t the guy after 4 years, whoever comes through the door next will be set up to have success. If the next guy is no more successful, then I think it will be safe to say that Tech probably can’t compete the same way everybody else can. If that turns out to be true, we can go back to the 3O, win 7 games every year and shut the hell up.</p><p></p><p>But as I’ve said in another thread. The greatest thing CGC has going for him is that he is <em>still </em>in control of his own narrative and destiny at Tech. If he turns it around, he can say he had one of the greatest transitions in the history of college football. If he doesn’t, well then everybody can point and laugh and say we hired Butch Jones 2.0 and we had a 404 error code or whatever they want to say. We’ll find out what kind of story CGC will end up writing for himself. But right now, we’re still in the introduction. The climax will occur midway through 2022. Stay tuned until then, I think some of you might be surprised.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JacketOff, post: 756544, member: 4572"] In CPJs last 5 years he was: [LIST] [*]1-4 vs. Duke [*]2-3 vs. Miami [*]2-3 vs. North Carolina [*]2-3 vs. Pitt [*]3-2 vs. Virginia [*]4-1 vs. Virginia Tech [/LIST] That’s 14-16 against the Coastal over the last 5 years of his tenure. Add in Georgia and Clemson [LIST] [*]0-5 vs. Clemson [*]1-4 vs. Georgia [/LIST] That’s 15-25 against his annual opponents over his last 5 years. Winning records against only 2 of his 8 annual opponents. How exactly was CPJ winning? I understand the Clemson and UGAg losses. Nobody really expects Tech to compete with those 2. But CPJ wasn’t even competing in the Coastal anymore. PJ relied on rotating Atlantic opponents, and G5 and FCS wins to make his yearly records respectable. Teams that didn’t see the 3O and didn’t know how to prepare for it. His annual opponents were no longer fooled by the “scheme” and knew how to compete against it. CPJ was a .500 coach against the FBS. Is that good? I don’t think so. It’s average. I’ve pointed out that Tech was one of the most average teams in CFB during the last half of CPJs tenure. The data backs that up. The point? If you’re ok with having an average, forgettable football program, then go back to 3O and play .500 ball in-conference and beat up on a G5 team and an FCs team every year and be satisfied with 7 wins. That what CPJ did for the last 8 years of his career at Tech. If you’re ok with that, then I can see why you’re p*ssed off about what’s currently happening. I think the ceiling [I]and [/I]floor for Georgia Tech’s football team is higher than that. I think Tech can be a legitimate contender in the Coastal every year. That means having a winning record against Coastal opponents. CPJ was not doing that towards the end. IMO, being an average program is not much better than being a bad program. I don’t believe there’s much more incentive in being a 7 win team than a 4 win team [B]if you’re trying something different. [/B]As [USER=1414]@ilovetheoption[/USER] pointed out, we’re trying another experiment. I don’t believe that CGC [I]has to[/I] or [I]will be [/I]the guy that completely turns Georgia Tech football around. But I am pretty sure he [I]is [/I]the right guy to put Tech in a position to find out if this experiment is a sustainable option. The talent on the team is much higher than it was under CPJ. If it turns out that CGC isn’t the guy after 4 years, whoever comes through the door next will be set up to have success. If the next guy is no more successful, then I think it will be safe to say that Tech probably can’t compete the same way everybody else can. If that turns out to be true, we can go back to the 3O, win 7 games every year and shut the hell up. But as I’ve said in another thread. The greatest thing CGC has going for him is that he is [I]still [/I]in control of his own narrative and destiny at Tech. If he turns it around, he can say he had one of the greatest transitions in the history of college football. If he doesn’t, well then everybody can point and laugh and say we hired Butch Jones 2.0 and we had a 404 error code or whatever they want to say. We’ll find out what kind of story CGC will end up writing for himself. But right now, we’re still in the introduction. The climax will occur midway through 2022. Stay tuned until then, I think some of you might be surprised. [/QUOTE]
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