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<blockquote data-quote="lv20gt" data-source="post: 938278" data-attributes="member: 2299"><p>So I've already said it's true for this past year and 19-20, although again the lumping them together is just stupid because it just serves to avoid what the actual issues were. As you said, 20-21 doesn't fit that mold. </p><p></p><p>Of the other 4 years, I don't really see the argument for a triple digit Kenpom as support that we started playing better at the end. Going from 171 to 156, 103 to 115 or 140 to 119 isn't a significant jump to me. We finished 17-18 losing 12 of the last 15, and 18-19 losing 12 of the last 16. Last year also lost 12 of the last 16 (not including Clayton). Lumping these as slow starts ignores that the problems were for the entire season. We were just bad those years. It's not a defense of those years to say they weren't slow starts. It's just inaccurate to describe them as such and actually serves to downplay the issues with those teams. </p><p></p><p>In 2016-17, any particular reason for the shift from mid february to late december? In any case, since you seem to have the weekly rankings for Kenpom I can't find, mind sharing what we were ranked after the ACCT? Because on January 31st we were 13-8 (5-4) with 3 wins against top 15 teams, and then proceeded to lose 7 of our last 10 (not including the OOC cupcake) prior to the NIT. Yes, things clicked for the NIT run. But I find it hard to believe you view that as a slow start and strong finish considering the good ACC games we played were mostly on the front end of the conference schedule while the back half was where our most extended period of losses were. </p><p></p><p>The slow start narrative is just a lazy critique. It doesn't actually get into the causes of the issues for the years (Jose getting injured isn't a coaching issue. Trying to make Howard the focal point of your offense, is a huge coaching issue) it's true for and actually serves to try and hide the causes. And if you really want to consider it a trend you have to extend the meaning so much you might as well just say Pastner needs to lose less for how much value it adds. </p><p></p><p>Now if you want the a trend along the similar thought process, we've often had single bad OOC early in the several years whether we were good that year or not (and bad enough losses where we should have won even with our bad teams). That includes Ohio in 17, Grambling in 18, Gardner Webb in 19, Mercer in 21, Miami (Oh) in 22. To me that points to Pastner having an issue with making sure guys are focused for each and every game and it takes a "wake up game" for that to not be true. That he does need to sort out as those type of games are more or less meaningless in the bad years but they could be the difference between making and missing the NCAAT if we find ourselves on the bubble. Ironically we didn't have one of those this year.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lv20gt, post: 938278, member: 2299"] So I've already said it's true for this past year and 19-20, although again the lumping them together is just stupid because it just serves to avoid what the actual issues were. As you said, 20-21 doesn't fit that mold. Of the other 4 years, I don't really see the argument for a triple digit Kenpom as support that we started playing better at the end. Going from 171 to 156, 103 to 115 or 140 to 119 isn't a significant jump to me. We finished 17-18 losing 12 of the last 15, and 18-19 losing 12 of the last 16. Last year also lost 12 of the last 16 (not including Clayton). Lumping these as slow starts ignores that the problems were for the entire season. We were just bad those years. It's not a defense of those years to say they weren't slow starts. It's just inaccurate to describe them as such and actually serves to downplay the issues with those teams. In 2016-17, any particular reason for the shift from mid february to late december? In any case, since you seem to have the weekly rankings for Kenpom I can't find, mind sharing what we were ranked after the ACCT? Because on January 31st we were 13-8 (5-4) with 3 wins against top 15 teams, and then proceeded to lose 7 of our last 10 (not including the OOC cupcake) prior to the NIT. Yes, things clicked for the NIT run. But I find it hard to believe you view that as a slow start and strong finish considering the good ACC games we played were mostly on the front end of the conference schedule while the back half was where our most extended period of losses were. The slow start narrative is just a lazy critique. It doesn't actually get into the causes of the issues for the years (Jose getting injured isn't a coaching issue. Trying to make Howard the focal point of your offense, is a huge coaching issue) it's true for and actually serves to try and hide the causes. And if you really want to consider it a trend you have to extend the meaning so much you might as well just say Pastner needs to lose less for how much value it adds. Now if you want the a trend along the similar thought process, we've often had single bad OOC early in the several years whether we were good that year or not (and bad enough losses where we should have won even with our bad teams). That includes Ohio in 17, Grambling in 18, Gardner Webb in 19, Mercer in 21, Miami (Oh) in 22. To me that points to Pastner having an issue with making sure guys are focused for each and every game and it takes a "wake up game" for that to not be true. That he does need to sort out as those type of games are more or less meaningless in the bad years but they could be the difference between making and missing the NCAAT if we find ourselves on the bubble. Ironically we didn't have one of those this year. [/QUOTE]
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