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What to expect against Florida State: A closer look through the lens of data

FSU Head Coach Mike Norvell (photo: Tori Lynn Schneider/Tallahassee Democrat)

Predicting the first week of college football in 2020 is likely a fool’s errand. This is already a season unlike any other, and Bowl Championship Subdivision (BCS) teams have yet to lace ’em up and play a game.

Adding mystery to intrigue is Georgia Tech’s week 1 foe, Florida State. If you were to draw two random teams out of a hat with the goal of finding the biggest questions marks heading into the season, you’d likely do no better than the Jackets and Seminoles.

Georgia Tech’s unknowns are well documented. We have a coaching staff that has been together at the BCS level for three years. The first two at Temple provided a small lens into their likelihood to succeed at Georgia Tech, with Head Coach Geoff Collins going 7-6 and 8-4 in two consecutive seasons at the helm.

That short tenure, combined with a 3-9 start in year 1 at Georgia Tech following the transition from the under center spread option, has only widened the array of prognostications for future success. Jackets’ fans don’t need another prediction from yours truly to inform their opinion. They need real data in the form of wins and losses in 2020, as well as signs of measurable statistical improvement on the field and in the overall program, to be swayed.

If we counted the number of variables in play for Georgia Tech in week 1, we’d have enough talking points to fill the 3.5 hours of television for the talking heads. Now add in Florida State, a media favorite going through their own coaching transition, and the output is a national TV spot on ABC, September 12, 3:30pm ET.

Head Coach Mike Norvell’s transition from Memphis to Tallahassee has been, let’s just say, interesting. Mostly heralded as a great hire, his first offseason has garnered the type of attention that Florida State fans were hoping had passed. Despite the coaching changes from Jimbo Fisher to Willie Taggart to Mike Norvell, drama continues to infest the Florida State program. Norvell was accused publicly by his inherited players of lying to the media in June. Then, his players publicly alleged nontransparency and concerns around Covid-19 testing safety in August. Strike 1 and 2?

Norvell can quickly push those stories to back burner through success on the field in year 1. The challenge is, given Florida State’s on-field dysfunction in 2019 and a coaching transition in 2020, where do you set the bar?

An oft-cited data point to measure a coach’s ability is to look at their relative performance via strength-adjusted metrics. Football Outsiders has long provided this trove of information, so let’s peel back the onion on Norvell’s tenure at Memphis, which stretched from 2016-2019.

Ignoring year 1 as his own transition year there, here’s how Norvell’s Tigers performed in his final three years.

For the sake of brevity, I’m going to assume that Georgia Tech fans have a baseline understanding of FEI as it’s an oft-cited metric.

So what’s the takeaway? In Norvell’s final three years at Memphis, his teams performed admirably overall, finishing around 32 overall and in the top 25 on offense and special teams. FEI is strength-adjusted, essentially meaning you can’t inflate your ranking by beating up on patsies, and more credit is earned through your performance against top teams.

Florida State floundered last year by its historical standards, finishing with an overall FEI of 49. Especially poignant was their performance in the phases where Norvell has historically excelled, finishing with an FEI strength-adjusted ranking of Offense on 67 and Special Teams on 87. The defense finished at a respectable but far from elite, 39.

So we have a chance, right? Yes, absolutely. But if we’re being fair, we have a long road to hoe to match Florida State’s performance of last year.

Here’s how the Jackets fared last year, with Collins’ first two years as a FBS head coach thrown in for added context.

If you were to calculate an average in apples to apples fashion, I would have to discount 2017 (year 1 at Temple) and 2019 (year 1 at Georgia Tech) as I did with Norvell’s average at Memphis. That leaves 2018 as a barometer, and one-year averages don’t mean a whole lot.

So what do I make of the data? At a minimum, I’m comfortable concluding that Collins’ and Offensive Coordinator Dave Patenaude’s offense at Temple improved after a troubling first year. That first year was apparently a lot like last year’s painful experience for Tech fans, which yields a healthy dose of optimism for this year. Likewise, defense has rarely been a question mark for Collins, who fielded salty defenses as a coordinator before accentuating that as his strength in Philadelphia.

In the end, there are question marks everywhere for both teams. Ev. Er. Y. Where. And with Covid-19, we should probably expect the unexpected with respect to ongoing roster attrition even in week 1. Based on 2019 performance and data, Florida State has the head start. Based on familiarity with a new system and “team cohesion”, the edge goes to Georgia Tech.

Florida State, playing at home, rightfully has the edge publicly and via the eyes of Vegas (11.5 point favorites). But as 2020 has proven, anything can happen.

 
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Well it is 2 weeks from game time and the networks have still not announced a kickoff time or which network will cover the game. This tells me that the league does not intend to actually play these games. You would think with the general excitement and energy around the potential for some college games to actually occur that the networks would be hyping and promoting these games as if they were the Super Bowl. Something just ain't right.

Go Jackets!
I’m expecting them to wait to release the kickoff times a week in advance. I wouldn’t worry just yet
 

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Well it is 2 weeks from game time and the networks have still not announced a kickoff time or which network will cover the game. This tells me that the league does not intend to actually play these games. You would think with the general excitement and energy around the potential for some college games to actually occur that the networks would be hyping and promoting these games as if they were the Super Bowl. Something just ain't right.

Go Jackets!
I heard that the game times for the first 2 games will be announced next week, which is consistent with the way it has been done for most games in the past
 
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In a normal season, ESPN would have until late this week to announce the game time and network. The exception to that is some game times are announced on Sunday.

According to the FSU website, attendance will be somewhere between 20% and 25% of capacity, with no students and no alcohol. Since all tickets are being sold to high donor season ticket holders in 3-game packets, I cannot see how the visiting team fans have any shot at tickets. Game time is still listed as TBD.
No students? WOW !!!
 

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F$U has not granted any media credentials. This is unusual - but then again what isn't these days.

Not worried about game time - we are still outside the typical option period.

But I'm starting to wonder. All the arrows are pointing the wrong way.

Can anyone confirm that we have booked transportation to Tallahassee?
 
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I thought all the arrows were pointing the right way, at least as far as covid is concerned. I will admit to not paying as close attention to it as I once did, but iirc all the indicators are now improving.....so what arrows are you seeing?
Well, like I said, F$U hasn't even called for media credential applications. They usually take several weeks to process and they haven't even asked for applications yet. So either they don't expect to play or they don't expect to allow the media onto the field. And to Jerry's point, while we are outside the usual option window, there are very few games being played that day so what is the hold up for putting the game on the TV lineup - seems ESPN would be in a HUGE hurry to do that. My guess is the same reason F$U hasn't allowed the media to request access to the game. Something is off. Hopefully, this is nothing more than F$U being cautious. I'll feel better once I hear that we have some definitive confirmation that the game is being held: Media passes, GT has booked a charter flight, ESPN has put the game on the TV schedule, etc. So far, none of those have happened. That's what I mean about the arrows pointing the wrong way.
 

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I'll feel better once I hear that we have some definitive confirmation that the game is being held: Media passes, GT has booked a charter flight, ESPN has put the game on the TV schedule, etc. So far, none of those have happened. That's what I mean about the arrows pointing the wrong way.
What is your source for GT travel plans?
 
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I’m expecting them to wait to release the kickoff times a week in advance. I wouldn’t worry just yet

This. With some teams postponing their first game, the networks want to wait as long as they possibly can before setting game times and networks because if a team postpones after their kickoff time and network are set, that will just create even worse problems for the networks.
 

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This. With some teams postponing their first game, the networks want to wait as long as they possibly can before setting game times and networks because if a team postpones after their kickoff time and network are set, that will just create even worse problems for the networks.
This makes sense as a business decision. It sucks for fans.
 

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We have the experience on the line.. Last year was tough, but under year 2 of CBK I fully expect to see improvement on the line. Losing Cochran hurts, but it's gotta be next man up at RG. I'll be disappointed if the line continues to look like swiss cheese.

Edit: all the talk about 18 pounds gained per man and yadayada will mean squat if we get pushed over like bowling pins. Im still optimistic though
Did we ever figure out what happened to Cochran and why he isn’t enrolling?
 

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I have a feeling that there will be no on field reporters.

Think MLB. Or even off site commentators.
ACC will take this extremely seriously by only allowing so many people in.

I've read the SEC and ACC will not allow full training staff to travel or be on the field.

As little people as possible on the field.
Players are also expected to stand in certain areas on the sideline just as they have been during practice.
 
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If we can complete 60% of our passes, I think we win. They will probably put 8-9 in the box and force us to pass. High expectations, I know.

I keep hearing about teams putting 8-9 in the box against us to force us to pass, but unless we improve a lot on the OL, fsu won't have to put 8-9 in the box to get plenty of pressure.
 
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