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<blockquote data-quote="CTJacket" data-source="post: 947901" data-attributes="member: 1635"><p>OK, this is a fair take but there is some nuance to it as well. The first or second post after states something to the effect of 'I'm in between 1 and 2'. Also think of the timing of the poll (even though you can change your answer I'm sure not many have), as the season has gone on and we haven't improved as much as we would like, the bloom is off the rose so to speak. I would imagine most people are closer to 2, I know I am but there is more to that (see below). I think it's wrong to fire the guy in an ugly manner but there are ways around that. </p><p></p><p>My point was the people that post on here often (by that I mean those of us who are also here in the offseason) have by and large said, 'the guy deserves some respect on the way out, he's been good for our program on the whole (no off-field nonsense and mostly a good-if-not-great on-field product), let's let him decide'. That has significantly decreased as the season has progressed and that's why 70+% say he should be retired. This year I expected some bumps along the way while we worked things out. With a few exceptions, we haven't really gotten better through the year, which is concerning to say the least.</p><p></p><p>I myself put 'maintaining support of big donors'. Why? Because this is the key to success but that doesn't mean (to me) that he needs to stay no matter what. We need money to make this thing run and as long as Tex and friends are behind Hall then I'm there too. If Batt can manage that relationship and let Hall go gracefully then fine by me. Hall has shown a lot over time but I'm not arguing that his success hasn't faded a lot. One correlation you can see with that fade is underfunding the program. Hall kept us relevant when we probably should have faded, which was probably why the program didn't get more funding. Very similar to Johnson on the football side from that aspect. </p><p></p><p>We finally started getting some big funding in and made significant improvements to the facilities etc. Everybody, I mean <strong>everybody</strong>, thought Borrell was a fantastic hire. Not a good hire, a slam dunk incredible hire - hard to fault Hall for that even though it's not worked out. </p><p></p><p>I'm 100% against an ugly breakup that loses our big donors. However, I do have faith that Batt and company can manage that transition so I'm not really worried about it. That's why I'm between those two things. If he does a farewell season next year I'm not even mad about that. Like I said, I believe he'll have to show Batt that he has a plan and Batt (plus the donors to be fair) have to be behind it or he'll likely be retired. If his plan makes sense to them he'll still be here next year for better or worse.</p><p></p><p>What I can say is that I have yet to see a single post that says he should stay forever and your posts (and some others, so not to pick on you specifically) have insinuated that. The only thing is the 'he's earned it' but I really have not seen any of those in quite a while - but I could be mistaken. If that wasn't your meaning then I apologize for reading into it something you aren't saying. I also respect that you are defending your position without resorting to any ugliness.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CTJacket, post: 947901, member: 1635"] OK, this is a fair take but there is some nuance to it as well. The first or second post after states something to the effect of 'I'm in between 1 and 2'. Also think of the timing of the poll (even though you can change your answer I'm sure not many have), as the season has gone on and we haven't improved as much as we would like, the bloom is off the rose so to speak. I would imagine most people are closer to 2, I know I am but there is more to that (see below). I think it's wrong to fire the guy in an ugly manner but there are ways around that. My point was the people that post on here often (by that I mean those of us who are also here in the offseason) have by and large said, 'the guy deserves some respect on the way out, he's been good for our program on the whole (no off-field nonsense and mostly a good-if-not-great on-field product), let's let him decide'. That has significantly decreased as the season has progressed and that's why 70+% say he should be retired. This year I expected some bumps along the way while we worked things out. With a few exceptions, we haven't really gotten better through the year, which is concerning to say the least. I myself put 'maintaining support of big donors'. Why? Because this is the key to success but that doesn't mean (to me) that he needs to stay no matter what. We need money to make this thing run and as long as Tex and friends are behind Hall then I'm there too. If Batt can manage that relationship and let Hall go gracefully then fine by me. Hall has shown a lot over time but I'm not arguing that his success hasn't faded a lot. One correlation you can see with that fade is underfunding the program. Hall kept us relevant when we probably should have faded, which was probably why the program didn't get more funding. Very similar to Johnson on the football side from that aspect. We finally started getting some big funding in and made significant improvements to the facilities etc. Everybody, I mean [B]everybody[/B], thought Borrell was a fantastic hire. Not a good hire, a slam dunk incredible hire - hard to fault Hall for that even though it's not worked out. I'm 100% against an ugly breakup that loses our big donors. However, I do have faith that Batt and company can manage that transition so I'm not really worried about it. That's why I'm between those two things. If he does a farewell season next year I'm not even mad about that. Like I said, I believe he'll have to show Batt that he has a plan and Batt (plus the donors to be fair) have to be behind it or he'll likely be retired. If his plan makes sense to them he'll still be here next year for better or worse. What I can say is that I have yet to see a single post that says he should stay forever and your posts (and some others, so not to pick on you specifically) have insinuated that. The only thing is the 'he's earned it' but I really have not seen any of those in quite a while - but I could be mistaken. If that wasn't your meaning then I apologize for reading into it something you aren't saying. I also respect that you are defending your position without resorting to any ugliness. [/QUOTE]
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