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<blockquote data-quote="Rodney Kent" data-source="post: 26747" data-attributes="member: 923"><p><strong>COACHES VS TALENT</strong></p><p>Great coaches normally start off at schools with lesser developed programs and win big. They gravitate to a more developed program snf still win big. Eventually, they wind up at a larger program and become an icon.</p><p> </p><p>Inept coaches don’t win even though they often start at the biggest programs with the best athletes. Sometimes they are promoted within the ranks, but do not win with the same athletes.</p><p> </p><p>Examples are numerous, but a few names should suffice. Frank Solich (assistant) at Nebraska let that program slide from the record of 356-69 by two successive coaches and was subsequently fired; Torbush (assistant), at North Carolina, let Mack's program slide and was fired; Gerry Faust took over at Notre Dame from combined records of two successful coaches (148-33) and was fired after producing a record of 30-26 with the same type athletes. These are only a minute sample, but represented major programs with great athletes.</p><p> </p><p>Ara Parsegian coached at Miami of Ohio with a record of 39-6-1, was hired by Northwestern, who previously, could not compete in the Big Ten, and made them into a winner. He was then hired by Notre Dame and .became a legend there.</p><p> </p><p>Bear Bryant started coaching at Maryland with a 6-2-1 record, then to Kentucky (60-23-5), then to Texas A&M (25-14-2), and eventually to Alabama to become a legend.</p><p> </p><p>Bobby Bowden coached at Samford (31-6-0), then West Virginia (42-26), and then FSU (304-97), a girl’s College, and the rest are legend. A few of the many examples.</p><p> </p><p>It is well known that good football players want to attend schools that win big, go to bowl games, and are favorites of the pro scouts. The rich get richer, but it is the coach that is the catalyst. Some of the following examples are in the past, but are still valid.</p><p> </p><p>There is little doubt that we have better athletes than Wake Forest, but they sometimes beat us with less talent. We had better talent than Fresno State in a bowl game (they even had seven players who had to sit out for the bowl game), but they beat us with less talent.</p><p> </p><p>Up until last year (during Friegden’s tenure), we had out-recruited every ACC school in the past five years, other than FSU. Why have the other ACC schools beaten us like step-children since Friegden left?</p><p> </p><p>We had some of the smaller division schools beat us in years when we had poor coaching. We beat some much bigger and better programs in the Dodd era when we had less qualified athletes than most of our opponents.</p><p> </p><p><strong>A POSTER ASKED ME THIS QUESTION</strong>:</p><p> </p><p>BUT, if it were all on the coach, what is the point of divisions? Why couldn't Bobby Johnson coach Furman up to beat Clemson? Why do Army and Navy always suck? Is it because of coaches? How did Bobby Bowden lose to Mark Richt.</p><p> </p><p><strong>MY ANSWER</strong>: Regarding Furman! They beat North Carolina 28-3 in 1999 after Mack Brown left. North Carolina had the same players, but Torbush could not beat Furman with them.</p><p>NCSU has a 4-8 all-time record against Furman. NCSU lost 3 out of the last 4 games to Furman from 1976-1985. They dropped Furman from the schedule after 1985. By the way Furman had a great coach during those years.</p><p> </p><p>Now, on to the poor military teams! North Carolina lost 4 out of the last 5 games to Air Force from 1963-1969. North Carolina dropped Air Force. North Carolina and Navy are 5-5 all time. North Carolina was 3-2 in their last five games against Navy from 1984-1992. One was only a 21-19 win. North Carolina dropped Navy after 1992.</p><p> </p><p>Maryland is 5-14 all-time against Navy. George Welsh and Navy beat Maryland handily.</p><p>NCSU is 3-6 all-time against Navy. NCSU is 7-11 all-time against VMI. NCSU is only 11-8 all-time against William and Mary.</p><p> </p><p>Virginia is 3-5 all-time against Army. They are 11-28 all-time against Navy. George Welsh and Navy beat Virginia handily until Welsh went to Virginia. Virginia and Welsh then beat Navy handily.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rodney Kent, post: 26747, member: 923"] [B]COACHES VS TALENT[/B] Great coaches normally start off at schools with lesser developed programs and win big. They gravitate to a more developed program snf still win big. Eventually, they wind up at a larger program and become an icon. Inept coaches don’t win even though they often start at the biggest programs with the best athletes. Sometimes they are promoted within the ranks, but do not win with the same athletes. Examples are numerous, but a few names should suffice. Frank Solich (assistant) at Nebraska let that program slide from the record of 356-69 by two successive coaches and was subsequently fired; Torbush (assistant), at North Carolina, let Mack's program slide and was fired; Gerry Faust took over at Notre Dame from combined records of two successful coaches (148-33) and was fired after producing a record of 30-26 with the same type athletes. These are only a minute sample, but represented major programs with great athletes. Ara Parsegian coached at Miami of Ohio with a record of 39-6-1, was hired by Northwestern, who previously, could not compete in the Big Ten, and made them into a winner. He was then hired by Notre Dame and .became a legend there. Bear Bryant started coaching at Maryland with a 6-2-1 record, then to Kentucky (60-23-5), then to Texas A&M (25-14-2), and eventually to Alabama to become a legend. Bobby Bowden coached at Samford (31-6-0), then West Virginia (42-26), and then FSU (304-97), a girl’s College, and the rest are legend. A few of the many examples. It is well known that good football players want to attend schools that win big, go to bowl games, and are favorites of the pro scouts. The rich get richer, but it is the coach that is the catalyst. Some of the following examples are in the past, but are still valid. There is little doubt that we have better athletes than Wake Forest, but they sometimes beat us with less talent. We had better talent than Fresno State in a bowl game (they even had seven players who had to sit out for the bowl game), but they beat us with less talent. Up until last year (during Friegden’s tenure), we had out-recruited every ACC school in the past five years, other than FSU. Why have the other ACC schools beaten us like step-children since Friegden left? We had some of the smaller division schools beat us in years when we had poor coaching. We beat some much bigger and better programs in the Dodd era when we had less qualified athletes than most of our opponents. [B]A POSTER ASKED ME THIS QUESTION[/B]: BUT, if it were all on the coach, what is the point of divisions? Why couldn't Bobby Johnson coach Furman up to beat Clemson? Why do Army and Navy always suck? Is it because of coaches? How did Bobby Bowden lose to Mark Richt. [B]MY ANSWER[/B]: Regarding Furman! They beat North Carolina 28-3 in 1999 after Mack Brown left. North Carolina had the same players, but Torbush could not beat Furman with them. NCSU has a 4-8 all-time record against Furman. NCSU lost 3 out of the last 4 games to Furman from 1976-1985. They dropped Furman from the schedule after 1985. By the way Furman had a great coach during those years. Now, on to the poor military teams! North Carolina lost 4 out of the last 5 games to Air Force from 1963-1969. North Carolina dropped Air Force. North Carolina and Navy are 5-5 all time. North Carolina was 3-2 in their last five games against Navy from 1984-1992. One was only a 21-19 win. North Carolina dropped Navy after 1992. Maryland is 5-14 all-time against Navy. George Welsh and Navy beat Maryland handily. NCSU is 3-6 all-time against Navy. NCSU is 7-11 all-time against VMI. NCSU is only 11-8 all-time against William and Mary. Virginia is 3-5 all-time against Army. They are 11-28 all-time against Navy. George Welsh and Navy beat Virginia handily until Welsh went to Virginia. Virginia and Welsh then beat Navy handily. [/QUOTE]
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