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<blockquote data-quote="AE 87" data-source="post: 7746" data-attributes="member: 195"><p>While I expect that you meant to type "accept" rather than "except" both times in that first question, you're missing my point. It's not that I'm unwilling to accept something when presented with facts. My point is that I'm unwilling to ASSUME it when there are facts that undermine its likelihood. In 2007 and 2008 there were reports discussing the need for Stanford to find ways to expand their recruiting pool. Their Admissions Dean is the same guy that got Chris Webber into Michigan. The articles from SI and Breitbart and others like it report claims that Stanford isn't making exceptions to get football players in, but Stanford isn't reporting the actual GPAs and SAT scores of their incoming classes. As you noted earlier, they have reported that data in the past when they weren't being successful in football. </p><p></p><p>My only point is that WE DON'T KNOW that Stanford's admission standards are higher than Tech's. Here are some things that WE DO KNOW:</p><p>1) Stanford has NO MINIMUM GPA</p><p>2) Stanford has NO MINIMUM TEST SCORE</p><p>3) Stanford has NO SET OF REQUIRED HIGH SCHOOL COURSES</p><p>4) Stanford evaluates academic achievements WITHIN CONTEXT such as "family background, educational differences, employment and life experiences"</p><p>5) Stanford emphasizes ESSAYS in the admission process.</p><p></p><p>By comparison, GT uses, or used the last I heard, a formula based on test scores and gpa as part of its admissions process as well as curricular requirements, especially with respect to math/science. </p><p></p><p>So, given the flexibility of this set of standards, Stanford could admit students who would not be accepted at Tech, someone who writes well but doesn't have the required math/science expected by Tech, as well as rejecting students who would be accepted at Tech, a student with the math/science with lesser verbal skills. Moreover, a guy like Lou Young might be more academically qualified than some of the players admitted to Stanford, but disqualified because his gpa/scores relative to his "context," Good Counsel High School, were less than others who came from lesser High Schools. </p><p></p><p>With respect to the question of majors, I never said that students were hiding behind anything. I said that the subjectivity inherent in the grading of Liberal Arts courses allows for easier path toward passing grades than the objective grading in the Math/Science requirements at Tech. Based on a quick look at Stanford's undergraduate catalog, it appears that a student can get a BA in Communications, for example, without a math course.</p><p></p><p>Why is it so hard for you to accept that there is a difference between the admission standards and academic rigor at Tech and at Stanford? </p><p></p><p><a href="https://admission.stanford.edu/basics/selection/index.html" target="_blank">https://admission.stanford.edu/basics/selection/index.html</a></p><p><a href="https://admission.stanford.edu/basics/selection/prepare.html" target="_blank">https://admission.stanford.edu/basics/selection/prepare.html</a></p><p><a href="http://facultysenate.stanford.edu/2006_2007/reports/SenD5876_cuafa_annual_rpt.pdf" target="_blank">http://facultysenate.stanford.edu/2006_2007/reports/SenD5876_cuafa_annual_rpt.pdf</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AE 87, post: 7746, member: 195"] While I expect that you meant to type "accept" rather than "except" both times in that first question, you're missing my point. It's not that I'm unwilling to accept something when presented with facts. My point is that I'm unwilling to ASSUME it when there are facts that undermine its likelihood. In 2007 and 2008 there were reports discussing the need for Stanford to find ways to expand their recruiting pool. Their Admissions Dean is the same guy that got Chris Webber into Michigan. The articles from SI and Breitbart and others like it report claims that Stanford isn't making exceptions to get football players in, but Stanford isn't reporting the actual GPAs and SAT scores of their incoming classes. As you noted earlier, they have reported that data in the past when they weren't being successful in football. My only point is that WE DON'T KNOW that Stanford's admission standards are higher than Tech's. Here are some things that WE DO KNOW: 1) Stanford has NO MINIMUM GPA 2) Stanford has NO MINIMUM TEST SCORE 3) Stanford has NO SET OF REQUIRED HIGH SCHOOL COURSES 4) Stanford evaluates academic achievements WITHIN CONTEXT such as "family background, educational differences, employment and life experiences" 5) Stanford emphasizes ESSAYS in the admission process. By comparison, GT uses, or used the last I heard, a formula based on test scores and gpa as part of its admissions process as well as curricular requirements, especially with respect to math/science. So, given the flexibility of this set of standards, Stanford could admit students who would not be accepted at Tech, someone who writes well but doesn't have the required math/science expected by Tech, as well as rejecting students who would be accepted at Tech, a student with the math/science with lesser verbal skills. Moreover, a guy like Lou Young might be more academically qualified than some of the players admitted to Stanford, but disqualified because his gpa/scores relative to his "context," Good Counsel High School, were less than others who came from lesser High Schools. With respect to the question of majors, I never said that students were hiding behind anything. I said that the subjectivity inherent in the grading of Liberal Arts courses allows for easier path toward passing grades than the objective grading in the Math/Science requirements at Tech. Based on a quick look at Stanford's undergraduate catalog, it appears that a student can get a BA in Communications, for example, without a math course. Why is it so hard for you to accept that there is a difference between the admission standards and academic rigor at Tech and at Stanford? [url]https://admission.stanford.edu/basics/selection/index.html[/url] [url]https://admission.stanford.edu/basics/selection/prepare.html[/url] [url]http://facultysenate.stanford.edu/2006_2007/reports/SenD5876_cuafa_annual_rpt.pdf[/url] [/QUOTE]
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