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<blockquote data-quote="GTRX7" data-source="post: 36773" data-attributes="member: 1045"><p>I agree with you that there were good coaches and bad coaches before segregation, and that has not changed. But if you cannot see the way the landscape of the player pool has changed since then (due in large part to de-segregation), then I am afraid that we are simply at an impasse. Back in the 50's and before, Tech was very competitive, if not near the top end, with respect to player talent. That has not been true for the last 50 years, regardless of coach. We have had some great players, but never anywhere near the depth of the top teams. We did catch lightening in a bottle in 1990, but weren't particularly anything special in the two years before or after. </p><p></p><p>At Georgia Southern, where CPJ was getting top tier talent, he went 62-10 and played in the title game 3 out of 5 years. At Navy, with far inferior talent, he went 45-29 (for a winning percentage of 61%), at a school that had a 32% winning percentage over the 20 years before he got there. At Tech, he has had middle of the road talent and is winning at about the same rate (even in the last four years) as the prior coaches over the last 50 years. In his first two seasons with Tech he won at a fairly historic rate at Tech. </p><p></p><p>I am just not sure why you want to look at historical GT football from 1900-1950 to judge the standard at Tech, but then ignore everything CPJ has done in his career before the last four years to conclude he is a bad coach.</p><p></p><p>Again, we all agree that the last four years have not been great and are not good enough. Nobody is arguing that (though it is generally still in line with some of the better coaches at Tech over the last 50 years). The question is, is there good reason to believe he can get it turned around. Based on his 13 year coaching record prior to those four years, I think there is. We will see. If he doesn't, I can guarantee you that you will get your wish.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GTRX7, post: 36773, member: 1045"] I agree with you that there were good coaches and bad coaches before segregation, and that has not changed. But if you cannot see the way the landscape of the player pool has changed since then (due in large part to de-segregation), then I am afraid that we are simply at an impasse. Back in the 50's and before, Tech was very competitive, if not near the top end, with respect to player talent. That has not been true for the last 50 years, regardless of coach. We have had some great players, but never anywhere near the depth of the top teams. We did catch lightening in a bottle in 1990, but weren't particularly anything special in the two years before or after. At Georgia Southern, where CPJ was getting top tier talent, he went 62-10 and played in the title game 3 out of 5 years. At Navy, with far inferior talent, he went 45-29 (for a winning percentage of 61%), at a school that had a 32% winning percentage over the 20 years before he got there. At Tech, he has had middle of the road talent and is winning at about the same rate (even in the last four years) as the prior coaches over the last 50 years. In his first two seasons with Tech he won at a fairly historic rate at Tech. I am just not sure why you want to look at historical GT football from 1900-1950 to judge the standard at Tech, but then ignore everything CPJ has done in his career before the last four years to conclude he is a bad coach. Again, we all agree that the last four years have not been great and are not good enough. Nobody is arguing that (though it is generally still in line with some of the better coaches at Tech over the last 50 years). The question is, is there good reason to believe he can get it turned around. Based on his 13 year coaching record prior to those four years, I think there is. We will see. If he doesn't, I can guarantee you that you will get your wish. [/QUOTE]
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