Player Attrition Under CPJ

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We spent a lot of time talking about all the lost players this year. I said I’d do an attrition study and have started.

Basically,
· Used end of year roster posted on GT site - except for current year where I used last weeks.
· Use Scout recruit data to determine who gets four year scholarship
· Compared changes in end of one season roster plus Scout scholarships to the next year's roster to determine which scholarship players “completed” their football careers at GT. 5 year players obviously completed as well as 4 year players who never red shirted. For 4 year players who red shirted but never started/played much, I assumed they completed since they got a 4 year scholarship.
· For the roster, I had to take out all the players who didn’t get a scholarship according to Scout or I knew transferred in.

Here are the overall results:
2007 to 2008, lost 9 players early when CPJ came in.
2008 to 2009, lost 7 players and 10 completed
2009 to 2010, lost 12 players and 6 completed. (Remember the talk about clubhouse dissension?)
2010 to 2011, lost 5 players and 12 completed
2011 to 2012, lost 4 players and 14 completed
2012 to 2013, lost 4 players and 10 completed
2013 to present, lost 13 players and 12 completed last year.

So by my rough data, this is the worst year under CPJ. That includes when he took over and the 2009-10 clubhouse problems. We had been averaging non-completion losses of 4-5 players year and that has tripled this last year.

My rough data for the time under CPJ has 23 staying 5 years and 41 staying 4 years. 54 left the program for other reasons. The vast majority of the players don't stay 5 years.

What’s the cause? I’d rather not go there till I improve the quality of data more. For that I need some help. I’ll post the ones I need help on in a minute.
 

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First the categories I am using for those who didn't complete:
N Went to the NFL early
A Academic, probably overlap with personal
D Discipline - scholarship terminated for violation of team rules
P Personal - wanted to play somewhere else or stop playing
I Injured and could no longer continue to play CFB
U Undetermined - need help

With that here are my undetermined:
Bennett Taylor
Bray Trevor
Donley D.J.
Dunmon Trey
Evans Jamaal
Johnson James
Lonowski Jacob
Manley Kyle
Peek Colin
Anyaibe Elris
Blackwood Jake
Bowen Shane
Kelly Quincy
Riley Kamaron
Smith Greg
White Willie
Foster Antonio
Gilbert Joseph
Jasper DeRon
Leslie Brandon
Luallen Jordan
Wilson Antonio
Yandell Clyde
Ayers Ryan
Miles Carl
Sims Quentin
Taylor Cooper
Richardson Lance
Alford Catlin
Greene Jeff
Moore Justin

Here are my NFL as juniors:
Burnett Morgan
Dwyer Jonathan
Morgan Derrick
Thomas Demaryius
Tarrant Jerrard
Burnett Julian
Hill Stephen

Here are my personal / play elsewhere:
Shaw Jaybo
Akins Justin
Robbins Kevin
Williams Anthony
Autry Myles
Griffin Ty
Lee Vad
Kitchen Jimmie (did Kitchen have a scholarship? Scout didn't list him but I think he did.)

Here are my injury:
McCoy Denzel
Holton Fred
Roberts Chase

Here are my Discipline:
Autry Anthony
Bailey Morgan
Commissiong Darius
Henry Travin

For academic, the only one I have is
Custis Travis
 

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Holton was discipline. Julian was injury. Didn't Claytor leave early for NFL too but was Undrafted?
 

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A bunch of those left to play elsewhere. Bennett, Peek, Leslie, Sims, Greene, Ayers, Gilbert, Yandell. Donley wanted to transfer to Purdue but had grade issues. Pretty sure Greg Smith popped up elsewhere too
 

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Don't know if you can include Myles since he never put a foot on campus, but that is my 2 cents.

I included him since he was singed with us on NSD and forced off the team for discipline. He was "on" the team with a scholarship, just didn't make it to the first game. Just the way I set it up.
 

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Would like to see the "national average".

The national average is going to be higher since up until 2015 class, we have been one of the lowest total recruiting colleges over a four year period. With so many people leaving this year though, we will no longer be one of the lowest in number of commits over a four year period.
 

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Holton was discipline. Julian was injury. Didn't Claytor leave early for NFL too but was Undrafted?

Thanks for all the inputs, I entered the changes. Holton was injured and then got into discipline problems?! I forgot about the discipline. Really stinks after his effort at rehab.

Julian? As in Julian Burnett??
 

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Gilbert and Yannell graduated and finished their eligibility at Ga State, iirc. Getting a list of the guys who graduated should be possible, but I don't know where to look.

Ryan Ayers transferred to Liberty, iirc.
 

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Would also like to see how many of these had productive careers at a new school / did something significant….
Here's VL's number from his first game. Courtesy of ESPN.

C/ATTYDSAVGTDINT
16/371413.802
He also had at runs for 27 yards, with a long run of 34 yards.

16/37
 

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First the categories I am using for those who didn't complete:
N Went to the NFL early
A Academic, probably overlap with personal
D Discipline - scholarship terminated for violation of team rules
P Personal - wanted to play somewhere else or stop playing
I Injured and could no longer continue to play CFB
U Undetermined - need help

With that here are my undetermined:
Bennett Taylor
Bray Trevor
Donley D.J.
Dunmon Trey
Evans Jamaal
Johnson James
Lonowski Jacob
Manley Kyle
Peek Colin
Anyaibe Elris
Blackwood Jake
Bowen Shane
Kelly Quincy
Riley Kamaron
Smith Greg
White Willie
Foster Antonio
Gilbert Joseph
Jasper DeRon
Leslie Brandon
Luallen Jordan
Wilson Antonio
Yandell Clyde
Ayers Ryan
Miles Carl
Sims Quentin
Taylor Cooper
Richardson Lance
Alford Catlin
Greene Jeff
Moore Justin

Here are my NFL as juniors:
Burnett Morgan
Dwyer Jonathan
Morgan Derrick
Thomas Demaryius
Tarrant Jerrard
Burnett Julian
Hill Stephen

Here are my personal / play elsewhere:
Shaw Jaybo
Akins Justin
Robbins Kevin
Williams Anthony
Autry Myles
Griffin Ty
Lee Vad
Kitchen Jimmie (did Kitchen have a scholarship? Scout didn't list him but I think he did.)

Here are my injury:
McCoy Denzel
Holton Fred
Roberts Chase

Here are my Discipline:
Autry Anthony
Bailey Morgan
Commissiong Darius
Henry Travin

For academic, the only one I have is
Custis Travis

Some additional information as I understand it:

Medical:
Bowen
Lownowski
Burnett- not NFL

Graduated with eligibility:
Bennett
Blackwood
Smith
Gilbert
Jasper
Yandell

Graduated:
Anyaibe

Don't know if graduating and transferring has any negative impact on APR.
Be interesting to see this analysis on assistant coaches under PJ.
 

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Here's VL's number from his first game. Courtesy of ESPN.

C/ATTYDSAVGTDINT
16/371413.802
He also had at runs for 27 yards, with a long run of 34 yards.

16/37

FWIW, that's a passer rating of 69.85 compared to JT's 275.25. However, supporting casts with and opposed were different.
 

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Thanks for all the inputs, I entered the changes. Holton was injured and then got into discipline problems?! I forgot about the discipline. Really stinks after his effort at rehab.

Julian? As in Julian Burnett??
Yes. JB had a career ending injury in bowl game against Utah his Jr year.

Holton missed two seasons with injuries and then was dismissed from the team in fall camp last year.
 
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