Paul Johnson's 2-Year Contract Extension Prompts State Of The Program Debate

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The result was an interesting discussion from Tech fans on the state of the program. So let's weigh in:

Q. Does this mean athletics director Todd Stansbury is all in on Johnson?

A. At this point, yes. But it also has become customary in the business for coaches to carry at least four years on their contracts so they will be able to look at recruits and parents and tell them they are signed for the same length of time the recruits will be on campus. It’s a tougher recruiting sell if the coach is carrying less than four years.

Q. Are Tech fans on board with this decision?

A. The fan base is split, but that’s not unusual for any program after having two losing seasons in three years. If there's a wild guess, the Tech split appears to somewhere in the 65-35 range, with 65 percent in favor of the extension. Those who have been with the program for years seem to have a better grasp of reality vs. expectations. And Paul Johnson’s performance at Tech has given him a much longer rope than some of the other coaches who have led the program. Tech fans don’t enjoy losing seasons, but Johnson has given the program two ACC titles (I know, one was taken away), two Orange Bowl appearances and has beaten Georgia three times in Athens. In short, for every bad moment Johnson has had at Tech, he's provided two, sometimes three, good ones.

Q. You mention expectations. Why are they so low?

A. I don't know if low is the right word. It's more reality-based. Because of the academic workload and available curriculum, Nick Saban could take over the Tech program tomorrow, and in three years, still be an underdog against half the schedule. Opposing fans will tell you they don’t want to hear Tech play the “academic card,” but the central factor is this: The Tech program simply cannot recruit many of the athletes our competitors are signing. That is a known fact. There is a reason why Tech sometimes mirrors the football programs at Stanford, Duke, Virginia, Vanderbilt, etc.

Q. But wouldn’t Tech have a better chance recruiting kids who do qualify without the spread-option offense that Johnson runs?

A. Perhaps. Athletes who are considering Tech run into constant negative recruiting by other schools, and much of it is pointed toward Johnson’s offense and Tech’s academic workload. The kids are told they will not make it to the NFL after playing in Johnson’s system. But more than 20 Tech players have been drafted by NFL teams since Johnson arrived at Tech, and a host of others have been invited to NFL camps. Nine of the 22 came through Johnson’s offensive system – linemen, wide receivers and running backs. Oddly enough, most of the negative recruiting has been pointed at those positions.

Q. So you think that Johnson has a better chance to win at Tech than a young coach with a new system?

A. The tendency is to say yes, but after the Virginia-Duke debacles last season, you have to take a second look and wonder if ACC defenses are beginning to catch on. That said, you also have to wonder if Tech’s 3-stars can beat another team’s 5-stars by running the same offense that the other team is running. Would Army and Navy have the success they have had without the spread-option? Would Georgia Tech?

Q. Given the negative recruiting toward the offense and academics, what can Tech do to fix that?

A. The donor who gave $200,000 toward recruiting last week certainly didn't hurt the program. That gift jump-started a donor effort to bolster the overall recruiting effort. I think Stansbury gets it. He’s a former player who went through the athletic-academic gauntlet and knows what a degree from Tech can mean. He believes Tech needs to brand the Tech degree and the football program, rather than shy away from both. The key is identifying the qualified athletes earlier in the process and letting them know there is a perfect fit in Atlanta. The donor program will be a huge help. If you recall, Tech put much-needed resources toward recruiting a few years back, and the results are showing. Some really strong players signed with Tech in the 2017 and 2018 classes.

Q. So you think Johnson’s extension is the right move?

A. I think Georgia Tech has a future Hall of Fame coach on campus and he has earned the right to lead the program. Who are you going to get to replace him? The kids are graduating, and for the most part, have been great citizens. He has given Tech fans some enjoyable, big-time football seasons. There’s one other thing worth mentioning. Each year, TV announcers and opposing coaches go to great lengths to describe how much pressure Johnson’s offense puts on defenses throughout the ACC. They never mention how much pressure the Georgia Tech defense puts on the Georgia Tech offense. If new defensive coordinator Nate Woody can give Tech a top-notch defense, suddenly those 15-play, 9-minute drives and those one-play, 79-yard drives start looking pretty good. And the three-and-outs don’t kill you.

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Right choice. Paul has finally gotten his first choice (as far as we know) for DC, he's gotten investment in recruiting so that we can be on an even playing field with Duke, and gotten a commitment (verbal at least) to upgrade the locker rooms. You can't invest that much in what he wants and then not invest in the guy himself.
 

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If we ever go to a new offense/coach, the first priority would be QB. What are the odds of getting another Hamilton, Jones, or Goose?
 
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If we ever go to a new offense/coach, the first priority would be QB. What are the odds of getting another Hamilton, Jones, or Goose?
Hamilton and Jones were option QBs that could throw..CRF offense was an option based offense. hell even Gooses scored a 30 yard touch down at UGA on an option play. That being said, For those three we have had many that were not that good running other systems. Nesbitt and JT 5 and fact is Washington was not exactly terrible. And in the end, since Dodd, tell me how many starting QBs we have put in the NFL...........crickets........none.
 

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Hamilton and Jones were option QBs that could throw..CRF offense was an option based offense. hell even Gooses scored a 30 yard touch down at UGA on an option play. That being said, For those three we have had many that were not that good running other systems. Nesbitt and JT 5 and fact is Washington was not exactly terrible. And in the end, since Dodd, tell me how many starting QBs we have put in the NFL...........crickets........none.

Joe Hamilton played for a few seasons I believe...Tampa Bay.

Josh Nesbitt played some wildcat QB in preseason, but was moved to safety. (Gailey was the coach BTW)

It is weird that in all these years of football GT has never had a multi year NFL starter at QB.
 

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The result was an interesting discussion from Tech fans on the state of the program. So let's weigh in:

Q. Does this mean athletics director Todd Stansbury is all in on Johnson?

A. At this point, yes. But it also has become customary in the business for coaches to carry at least four years on their contracts so they will be able to look at recruits and parents and tell them they are signed for the same length of time the recruits will be on campus. It’s a tougher recruiting sell if the coach is carrying less than four years.

Q. Are Tech fans on board with this decision?

A. The fan base is split, but that’s not unusual for any program after having two losing seasons in three years. If there's a wild guess, the Tech split appears to somewhere in the 65-35 range, with 65 percent in favor of the extension. Those who have been with the program for years seem to have a better grasp of reality vs. expectations. And Paul Johnson’s performance at Tech has given him a much longer rope than some of the other coaches who have led the program. Tech fans don’t enjoy losing seasons, but Johnson has given the program two ACC titles (I know, one was taken away), two Orange Bowl appearances and has beaten Georgia three times in Athens. In short, for every bad moment Johnson has had at Tech, he's provided two, sometimes three, good ones.

Q. You mention expectations. Why are they so low?

A. I don't know if low is the right word. It's more reality-based. Because of the academic workload and available curriculum, Nick Saban could take over the Tech program tomorrow, and in three years, still be an underdog against half the schedule. Opposing fans will tell you they don’t want to hear Tech play the “academic card,” but the central factor is this: The Tech program simply cannot recruit many of the athletes our competitors are signing. That is a known fact. There is a reason why Tech sometimes mirrors the football programs at Stanford, Duke, Virginia, Vanderbilt, etc.

Q. But wouldn’t Tech have a better chance recruiting kids who do qualify without the spread-option offense that Johnson runs?

A. Perhaps. Athletes who are considering Tech run into constant negative recruiting by other schools, and much of it is pointed toward Johnson’s offense and Tech’s academic workload. The kids are told they will not make it to the NFL after playing in Johnson’s system. But more than 20 Tech players have been drafted by NFL teams since Johnson arrived at Tech, and a host of others have been invited to NFL camps. Nine of the 22 came through Johnson’s offensive system – linemen, wide receivers and running backs. Oddly enough, most of the negative recruiting has been pointed at those positions.

Q. So you think that Johnson has a better chance to win at Tech than a young coach with a new system?

A. The tendency is to say yes, but after the Virginia-Duke debacles last season, you have to take a second look and wonder if ACC defenses are beginning to catch on. That said, you also have to wonder if Tech’s 3-stars can beat another team’s 5-stars by running the same offense that the other team is running. Would Army and Navy have the success they have had without the spread-option? Would Georgia Tech?

Q. Given the negative recruiting toward the offense and academics, what can Tech do to fix that?

A. The donor who gave $200,000 toward recruiting last week certainly didn't hurt the program. That gift jump-started a donor effort to bolster the overall recruiting effort. I think Stansbury gets it. He’s a former player who went through the athletic-academic gauntlet and knows what a degree from Tech can mean. He believes Tech needs to brand the Tech degree and the football program, rather than shy away from both. The key is identifying the qualified athletes earlier in the process and letting them know there is a perfect fit in Atlanta. The donor program will be a huge help. If you recall, Tech put much-needed resources toward recruiting a few years back, and the results are showing. Some really strong players signed with Tech in the 2017 and 2018 classes.

Q. So you think Johnson’s extension is the right move?

A. I think Georgia Tech has a future Hall of Fame coach on campus and he has earned the right to lead the program. Who are you going to get to replace him? The kids are graduating, and for the most part, have been great citizens. He has given Tech fans some enjoyable, big-time football seasons. There’s one other thing worth mentioning. Each year, TV announcers and opposing coaches go to great lengths to describe how much pressure Johnson’s offense puts on defenses throughout the ACC. They never mention how much pressure the Georgia Tech defense puts on the Georgia Tech offense. If new defensive coordinator Nate Woody can give Tech a top-notch defense, suddenly those 15-play, 9-minute drives and those one-play, 79-yard drives start looking pretty good. And the three-and-outs don’t kill you.

Link
http://thewhiteandgold.com/johnsons...mpts-state-of-the-program-debate-p565-250.htm
 

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Here is my concern with the QB situation. We started the spring with 4 QB candidates. MJ was favored to be the starter. He had game experience. He gets hurt. Coming into the season PJ says all 4 are listed as equal. MJ is still hurt. He picks TM as the starter. Then he doesn't play either of the other 2 guys for any meaningful PT. He had some chances. Now TM is the only QB with real experience and the other guys are at a disadvantage with no experience. Seems he has hamstrung the offense with a runner and not much of a passer going into spring. Has he set himself up for failure. If they were co-starters why didn't they get some PT.
 
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I dont think we have mirrored Stanford much lately, so this leads me to believe 6-6 is what to expect.

Yeah I wish we'd mirror Stanford. 3 Rose Bowls and 5 11+ win seasons in the last 7. Fewest wins in that period of time is 8.

We're mirroring Duke (and losing to them more often than not now). An occasional good season but mostly .500 ball with losing seasons.

Freaking Duke.
 

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Nah. We went 3-1 vs SEC on Thanksgiving, VT beat WVU, Miami curb stomped Notre Dame, NC State beat Notre Dame. We had a weak bowl record but if Utah didn't win their bowl game the Pac-12 would have been swept. ACC had a down year but the Pac-12 is easily the worst conference in football. Also the Pac-12 champion, USC, had to go to double OT to beat Texas and got annihilated by Notre Dame.
 

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Here is my concern with the QB situation. We started the spring with 4 QB candidates. MJ was favored to be the starter. He had game experience. He gets hurt. Coming into the season PJ says all 4 are listed as equal. MJ is still hurt. He picks TM as the starter. Then he doesn't play either of the other 2 guys for any meaningful PT. He had some chances. Now TM is the only QB with real experience and the other guys are at a disadvantage with no experience. Seems he has hamstrung the offense with a runner and not much of a passer going into spring. Has he set himself up for failure. If they were co-starters why didn't they get some PT.
That was CPJ's greatest mistake last year.
 
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Why will year 11 be any different on offense than the previous 10? Run 95 % of the time and pray we complete that one pass. We'll be around .500 again with a rushing attack ranked some where in the top 20 and passing attack ranled near last. It's been 10 years you really think Paul is going to do anything different. Having TQ as the starter tells it all.
 
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