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Discussion in 'The Swarm Lounge' started by grandpa jacket, Dec 16, 2017.

  1. grandpa jacket

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    We are being used by this lunatic fringe President and he is getting away with it. If something is not done to stop interference in our future elections we will never believe the results. We have a dictator and he needs to be stopped
     
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  2. LibertyTurns

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    We just had a dicktator for 8 years and the world didn’t come to an end. Chance are this dicktator won’t cause the republic to implode by enforcing liberties established under our constitution nor drive us to WW III by putting his foot down against repressive regimes and terrorists. After what we’ve sustained the last decade it’s hard to imagine how the tweeter in chief can be worse. What he’ll only possibly restore half the liberties that have been confiscated illegally by the last 4 administrations? Maybe he can make us lose more prestige internationally by selling our foreign and economic policies to the foreign government and pads his personal fortune at twice the rate of the Obamas and Clintons? You really think he could have any more flaccid of a national defense than those bastards?

    Say what you want about the man personally as he is a lunatic in that respect, but he stands up to the international PC bitches that have undermined the US for decades and the results thus far have been substantially favorable compared to the supposed “experts” with their massive experience he replaced.
     
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  3. Tech93

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    Well said
     
  4. Whiskey_Clear

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    Gramps is watching too much CNN.

    With all of the incredibly questionable crap the FBI and DOJ have done regarding Clinton email investigation and Trump / Russia collusion investigation....this is the lead take from CommieNewsNetwork also known as CNN...

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/16/media/fox-news-campaign-against-fbi-robert-mueller/index.html

    A whole lot of bitching and moaning about Trump and Fox News criticism of FBI n DOJ. Not a bit of reporting on the extremely questionable crap both agencies are embroiled in.
     
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  5. BuzzStone

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    We don't live under a democracy.

    We haven't lived under a "Dicktator" for 8 years.
     
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  6. LibertyTurns

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    You’re correct it’s closer to 8 of last 9 years. Man this year has gone fast!

    On a more serious note “dicktator” I used the term in a pejorative fashion as a means of expressing disdain for accelerating the erosion of our constitutional liberties, furthering the emasculation of the US on the international stage and promoting some of the most socialist policies we’ve seen since LBJ & FDR.

    Restoration of the principles adopted in the US Constitution should be paramount for anyone associated with governing our great nation or in time we may end up like everyone else in the world instead of the country everyone envies.

    Make America Great Again is a clever slogan conceived by a man many consider to be an imbecile and his moral character is highly questionable, but regardless of our animus for the man I have a hard time conceiving why anyone is interested in making sure everyone besides the US gets a good deal. Screw them. They need to focus on ways to improve their countries not have us do it for them. Perhaps they should take a gander at our Constitution, but we all know they would much rather keep their death grip on personal power & money overseas than mimic our model.
     
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  7. Tech93

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    I find it funny how anyone can question his moral character and not be flabbergasted by the lack of moral character of the Clintons.
     
  8. LibertyTurns

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    Slick Willy was a scumbag & everyone around him knew it. His wife is treacherous. I have not met a more despicable human being face to face.
     
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  9. ATL1

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    I agree. We have a clown in the White House.
    Intellectualism has failed in this country. Knowledgeable people are demonized. Being an "expert" is a bad thing. A Constitutional Law professor is called a dictator for having pragmatism and intelligence.

    A country on the brink of depression was stabilized.
    Marginalized groups were provided greater access and resources.
    Not one major terrorist attack on US soil.
    All give way to boogie man theatrics and pump your chest nationalist sound bites that have no real substantive meaning. Conspiracy theories become fact and fact becomes "fake news".
    Don't trust journalists unless from a blatant propaganda machine. Everyone is rhe enemy if they don't look, live, or think like you.

    "War is peace.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength."
    1984 George Orwell

    Very strange times indeed.
     
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  10. BuzzStone

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    How anyone can support our current president and still focus on Obama and what he did in the past 8 years is beyond me.

    I actually thought Obama was a great option when he ran for the simple fact that he had done nothing his entire life. I was hopeful that he would continue that trend in the white house.

    But our current admisnistration is a Joke. I don't think anyone can objectivly look at our president and say "this is the best man for the job"
     
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    Very strange
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...dec16379010_story.html?utm_term=.6c05c175b876
     
  12. LibertyTurns

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    I voted for neither man and never would not dream of voting for Trump in 2020. The problem our country has had is for the las 32 years our Presidential candidates have been severely lacking. There is no end in sight as most up and comers are lackeys propped up by and beholden to big money.

    The reason America needs to focus on the last administration is so much of what was done needs to be undone. It might literally take 4 terms to undo the degradation to our country. In order of priority the following actions are a necessity:

    A. Regulatory reform to enable rapid economic growth & relieve the unprecedented stagnation of our economy from repressive overregulation- status well underway. This one the old tweeeter is going to leave a legacy of unprecedented success.
    B. Passing a real tax reform bill to break the strangle hold on small businessmen and all taxpayers- status likely failure as we’re only going to get the Obamacare equivalent of tax reform. It’s unlikely he’lol ever succeed breaking the swamp’s back.
    C. Eradication of all elements of appeasement as part of revamping our foreign policy strategy- status overall very positive as a litany of poor policies have been reversed & strategic alliances being reformed with greater degrees of US leadership. Might make good progress here.
    D. Strengthen national defense- status going to be extremely difficult to fix the hollowing out of the military given our horrendous foreign policy the last 8 years. De-politicization of the military is going to be dang near impossible give the entrenchment of careerists.Likely outcome mediocre results.
    E. Domestic policies (Obamacare, Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, Infrastructure)- status fail, no action, no action, likely crash & burn. He’s going to fail like all before him.

    We clearly need better than this.
     
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  13. BuzzStone

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    I voted for neither as well. I do think that inaction is sometimes a much better practice than bad action. My favorite thing about Obama was how little he actually did.

    Every time I hear our president is on the golf course I smile, no further harm is normally done on the golf course.
     
  14. Whiskey_Clear

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    Obama did more than Bill ever dreamed of. One legitimately, horrendous blunder that is Obamacare. The rest were illegitimate executive orders that bypassed Congress to enact executive law.

    The undoing of which, by executive order again, is causing leftists to fall into a frenzy, claim these (but not Obama's) executive orders are illegal:rolleyes:, and fighting against same...in the judiciary. Smh...our country and system of government has been bastardized imo and a far cry from what was framed in the Constitutional Convention.
     
  15. smathis30

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    I really don't think the tax bill is going to help with business as much as everyone thinks. I recently left a company that moved their HQ our of the US in the past year (to avoid taxes) . Almost the entirety of the team still lives in the US, its just the american headuarters. they just have to fly once a year or so out to their new international headquarters for their meetings. Its not bringing business back as they are still already paying taxes on what they earn in america, just reducing what they make from it. I don't think this will be very helpful simply due to the nature of the previous system. Don't get me wrong, I like it, and wish we did it earlier. But its not generating income from people moving their HQs. They are still here. Moving HQs is nothing but putting a new placard on a building. On top of that their is a 7.5% tax for companies coming back so again, no benefit it doing so outside of political gains which will be marginal to nill.

    homeownership. This will reduce deductions made on real estate which will make it dificult for first time home owners by increasing property taxes now that they can't remove the deductible from those taxes. Currently, 47% of americans itemize mortgages on their taxes, and Zillow estimates if the bill passes that number will drop to 14%. this predominately benefits the top 14% of Americans and is worse for the middle class. This is entrenched in the newer generations having 30% less expendable income then previous generations due to higher cost of college and a harsher job outlook thanks the the 2009 recession caused by housing policies by both bushes and clinton. Depending on what this does to rent, this has the greatest potential for catastrophic failure in causing a mortgage crisis. In short: Housing bill aimed at increasing taxes and expenditures for wealthy blue state voters and middle class homeowners to justify giving corporations and the wealthiest of the wealthy tax funds. Unintended consequenes will be people moving out of homes and schools losing some funding due to their reliance on property taxes.

    Family tax credits: increases tax exemptions for children. this will predominately help lower income families. Inherently good.

    Inflation: Adjusted from CPI to chained CPI, which is a less-consumer friendly index. this means that taxes will increase over time, past the bills expiration in 2025 to what the levels are now. Seems pointless to cut taxes when they are going to raise over time due to inflation, but to each their own.

    Edcuation:- Money in 529 accounts can help fund private schools for K-12 and not just college. Will predominately help white republicans sending their kids to religious school. Then you have the whole homeownership vs renting situation caused by increased property taxes that will have an effect on schools.

    Miscelanious: Eliminates moving expenses, except if you are military. don't see how this benefits the middle class as its losing all the money sunk into moving.

    ACA: eliminating the mandate can be interesting. Lots of income comes from it, and it keeps rate low by forcing the healthy to help pay for the old and sick. Removing the mandate should increase costs for people on insurance as young people will likely go insurance less if they feel like they won't get sick. Really don't see how this is a plus. It only adds money to people who can afford to not be on health insurance and makes the care for the sick and elderly even more of a bubble.

    Corporate: Touched on a little above. Will hurt the US in terms of international businesses, but the increased itemization should help small businesses. But big business is big business in general. So lost income for the government and inherently low taxes. I don't believe trickle down economics works, so i believe this is inherently negative.

    Between 1979 and 2007 (e.g. the effects of raegonomics)

    The average income of the wealthies 1% increased 275%
    Top 20% an average of 65%
    Middle 60% an average of 40%
    Bottom 20% an average of 18%

    But once you take into account taxes:

    Top 20% average income after taxes increased 10%
    Every other income group DECREASED by 3%

    So i don't believe this will be inherently good.

    https://www.cbo.gov/publication/42729

    I like tax breaks. Just not for the top 10%.


    All in all, its projected to increase to deficit by 1 trillion by mostly giving tax breaks to the rich (either by being rich or through their corporations) while increasing taxes on predominately democratic voting areas, and won't generate enough income (b/c tax breaks) to
     
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    Whatever happened to the America where independent individuals forged their own way, created their own wealth, took care of their own families, defended their own liberty, and didn't expect everyone else to do damn near everything for them?
     
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    We created a tax system where all the wealth stays at the top?

    Also the fair tax has so many ways around it through bartering. Don't want to pay taxes? Buy everything second hand! I can't even begin to imagine what buying a home would be like. But if you rent, no taxes! Buying online also avoids that local taxes are not applicable to the internet. With no tax collecting service, the states are also under no obligation to give them money due to the enumeration of constitutional powers. It's like sanctuary cities, but instead of people, billions of dollars!

    I do like the concept though. It's pretty similar to a negative income tax, which would be way more likely to pass and actually collect income. And it's actually progressive.
     
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    WELL SAID. I voted for a 3rd party as well. To the 95% of people reading this who probably voted for Trump or Clinton, take a look in the mirror. If you don't like corrupt candidates with personality disorders, DO NOT VOTE FOR THEM. You are not required by law to support the 2 main parties.

    Clinton was such a horrible candidate, I honestly cannot blame anybody who voted for Trump. And vice versa. If either candidate had been replaced by a reasonable person, that party would have won 48 states.

    We survived Bush. We survived Obama. We'll survive Trump. [gulp]
     
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    Its funny, I read all that stuff and look at them as positives. When you start from a position that you're entitled to other people's money, you see the world through a completely different prism.
     
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