Option Football

Enuratique

Jolly Good Fellow
Messages
333
The other issue (sorry to rehash the dead horse) that helped nail CPJ's coffin at GT was the blocking rule changes... Took away the blocker's leverage / required bigger bodies to block legally (more man up than dive blocks) and bigger bodies are slower / harder to recruit the faster ones and so our blocks were less effective against superior talent, and that put us behind the chains. Crappy D too kept us on the field.
 

jgtengineer

Helluva Engineer
Messages
2,968
Enuratique said:
The other issue (sorry to rehash the dead horse) that helped nail CPJ's coffin at GT was the blocking rule changes... Took away the blocker's leverage / required bigger bodies to block legally (more man up than dive blocks) and bigger bodies are slower / harder to recruit the faster ones and so our blocks were less effective against superior talent, and that put us behind the chains. Crappy D too kept us on the field.
Click to expand...

I don't think that rule change would have hurt us as bad. Calhoun and Airforce adapted quickly and they were also heavy veer. I think if Johnson was coaching in that era we'd have done what Monken has started to do which is shift to the gun/pistol more. But Johnson had been coaching for 40 years. So retirement was better options.
 
stinger78

stinger78

Helluva Engineer
Messages
4,279
jgtengineer said:
I don't think that rule change would have hurt us as bad. Calhoun and Airforce adapted quickly and they were also heavy veer. I think if Johnson was coaching in that era we'd have done what Monken has started to do which is shift to the gun/pistol more. But Johnson had been coaching for 40 years. So retirement was better options.
Click to expand...
I agree, but he chose to retire rather than to adapt. I don't blame him one bit. Leave it to the proteges to adapt the thing.
 

takethepoints

Helluva Engineer
Messages
6,095
jgtengineer said:
I don't think that rule change would have hurt us as bad. Calhoun and Airforce adapted quickly and they were also heavy veer. I think if Johnson was coaching in that era we'd have done what Monken has started to do which is shift to the gun/pistol more. But Johnson had been coaching for 40 years. So retirement was better options.
Click to expand...
I agree. I might also point out that Air Force led the NCAA in rushing last year. Again.
 
4shotB

4shotB

Helluva Engineer
Retired Staff
Messages
4,934
stinger78 said:
I agree, but he chose to retire rather than to adapt. I don't blame him one bit. Leave it to the proteges to adapt the thing.
Click to expand...
I agree. Reflecting back upon things I was constantly adapting and evolving. Hustling/ Grinding/etc. Then one day you wake up and realize you don't have to do it any longer. At least at a job that takes the greater % of your waking hours. Then you pass the baton on to the young Turks who need to do what you did when you were their age to generate income. and satisfy egos. and build up a nest egg. Then you take your a$$ to the golf course 3-4 times a week instead of 2 Saturdays a month. CPJ probably got less than that given his profession. The reason CPJ hung 'em up is because, at the end of the day, he's a pretty smart guy.
 

cpf2001

Helluva Engineer
Messages
1,241
Randy Carson said:
Good point.

I would counter that if the TO were more prevalent, prima donna QB's would be replaced by less expensive QB's and B's that can run instead of throw on every down.

Maybe?
Click to expand...
I don’t think so, personally. If everybody was running it then the guys who can make the throws and make the right decisions more often are still going to be at a huge premium. They’d have a different skill set but someone would still be willing to pay $$$ to lock up the best QB.
 

Blue&Gold1034

Jolly Good Fellow
Messages
127
jgtengineer said:
Every play is a potential TD. Even the dive an you never know when its going to pop off.

The option is only boring to people that don't understand the option.

Clarifying his point here for the inevitable person who thinks he was serious.
Click to expand...
You can say this about every offense. If a player breaks a tackle or two in any offense, it could go for a big gain or TD. That isn't unique to an option offense.
 

jgtengineer

Helluva Engineer
Messages
2,968
Blue&Gold1034 said:
You can say this about every offense. If a player breaks a tackle or two in any offense, it could go for a big gain or TD. That isn't unique to an option offense.
Click to expand...

That's not true. It is true in every offense predicated on the run. West Coast short passing game offenses are often designed to get 5 and then save the TD plays for shot plays.

They do this with ball placement. Low curls and outs on the sidelines.
 
Northeast Stinger

Northeast Stinger

Helluva Engineer
Messages
10,769
jgtengineer said:
That's not true. It is true in every offense predicated on the run. West Coast short passing game offenses are often designed to get 5 and then save the TD plays for shot plays.

They do this with ball placement. Low curls and outs on the sidelines.
Click to expand...
I think this is correct. It is a misnomer to say that any play perfectly executed will result in a touchdown. Lots of plays are designed only to pick up the necessary yards in a given situation, whether two yards or twenty.

The option creates a mismatch which, when coupled with a wrong guess by a defender, can break wide open.
 
Randy Carson

Randy Carson

Helluva Engineer
Messages
1,303
Location
Apex, NC
If you enjoy watching your team go 80 yards in three minutes followed by the other team doing the same thing to you, the NFL was tailor-made for your attention span.

If you prefer watching your team go 80 yards in eight minutes while the other team looks nervously at the clock wondering if they will get the ball back, well, the TO is your game.
 

jgtengineer

Helluva Engineer
Messages
2,968
Northeast Stinger said:
I think this is correct. It is a misnomer to say that any play perfectly executed will result in a touchdown. Lots of plays are designed only to pick up the necessary yards in a given situation, whether two yards or twenty.

The option creates a mismatch which, when coupled with a wrong guess by a defender, can break wide open.
Click to expand...

Exactly.

Can there be blown coverage on a curl or ut that turns into a go on a read? Yeah. Is that going to happen often... well only if someone named collins is in charge.

Warrick Dunn had a saying about the old-school single back zone run offense. "Get 4 yards". That meant you got to the second level and that is where magic can happen in a run game.
 
iceeater1969

iceeater1969

Helluva Engineer
Messages
9,650
Still don't understand why, early in season, we didn't
go for broke with a very aggressive defense. By 4th quarter the heat and the option would have been a killer.

Seems like we were trying to play a little too conservative.

Watch the 2008 uga replay. Uga and gt were loaded, but our defense was aggressive and we wore them down.
 
Top