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Discussion in 'The Swarm Lounge' started by LibertyTurns, Jul 1, 2018.

  1. LibertyTurns

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    @Nixon_Corral I finally found an article not behind a paywall.

    The voting site deal comes down to money. I live in a rural Florida area and they closed my voting precinct 4 years ago even though I live on the “rich” side of town. Also, my old site was deemed to be “not ADA compliant”.

    There are a lot of elderly retirees down here and was quite a fuss when they were informed they had to drive clear across town to vote. My response was we let looney do-gooder liberals in charge of a program (ADA rulings) and they rammed ridiculous policies down the throats of common people without any understanding of the consequences. This is just another example to why big city liberalism does not work on a national level.

    So you partially got government laws driving closures plus fiscal demands. There’s a simple solution here. You get the big money liberals to pony up their own money to make these places ADA complaint plus fund running the sites.

    Bottom line- fleece your wallet not mine. Keep your big city liberal “I’m going to provide for your every need” policies out of my neighborhood and focus on yours. We don’t need your help where I live.
     
  2. MWBATL

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    So many things wrong with that post that I would have to write a chapter in response. Start with the fact that it was NOT Brian Kemp who tried to close polling places in Georgia counties. It was a consultant paid for by the county itself, and Kemp and his office opposed that consultant's suggestion to close polling places. So, that's one....and you challenged me to defend even one...so there ya go. Facts matter. I have @WreckinGT on ignore because he lives in an alternate universe where facts don't matter. It is impossible to have any reasonable discussion with someone when they refuse to believe facts. Perhaps you are of that same ilk?

    Having a Democrat as governor would be bad simply because the policies of the national Democrat Party are bad for America, and Abrams supports those policies. Heck, I am tempted to support Kemp when I look at the list of websites that oppose him, because the vast majority of those websites endorse views I find abhorrent and truly un-American in their philosophies. Many are racist.

    Oh, and yes, I do believe it is hypocritical to criticize one party for engaging in practices that both parties wholeheartedly practice. (Gerrymandering) Why you mention that as an issue and then defend your criticism is beyond me. It is a bit like saying 'Republican politicians lie'. Yup, they sure do. Democrat politicians lie just as much. So....what's the point of such a statement?
     
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  3. WreckinGT

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    Good projection here. This is coming from someone who supports a President who has lied like 4000 times since taking office and had his supporters coin the phrase 'Alternative Facts'.
     
  4. Technut1990

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    This is comical perspective. Who do any of us vote for if we aren't voting for liars ? The biggest ones on your side was "if you like your doctor you can keep him".

    here are some others :

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hoppers/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7ecad823dc64

    and they are from the Post of all places
     
  5. WreckinGT

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    There is a difference between going for someone who has lied, and someone who lies constantly to the point that its hard to figure out when he is ever telling the truth. I was wrong by the way, the count now is over 5000: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-or-misleading-claims/?utm_term=.e73a4ee1be8f. If you missed it also, he recently penned an op ed for USA today that was basically nothing but lies. There is literally no one on earth with less credibility than our current President, which is pretty sad. But hey, as long as he keeps putting out tax cuts which only benefit rich white people, let him lie, am I right?
     
  6. Technut1990

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    sooo I guess you are going to ignore the article that one of the most liberal papers in the country wrote about Obama's lies right ?

    Obama literally lied about EVERY major issue he addressed during his presidency. Guess your original post should have clarified that you meant lies by politicians that you dont support anyway.

    Your tax statement is ludicrous. Tell me Wreck how do you give a tax break to people who aren't taxed ? Under the new tax schedule you could literally make $40,000 and not pay a dime in tax by the time you take deductions. By the very term - ANY tax break goes to those paying the taxes. Just like a good liberal you cant understand that 10% of a million is $ 100,000 while 10% of $1.00 is 10 cents. The rich, of whom I'm not a member of, have always paid more in actual dollars because they are the ones with the money !
     
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    So you personally are ok with the recent tax cuts giving more to white households in the top 1% than all households combined in the bottom 60%? That to you is a positive change in our country that will help working class Americans?
     
  8. Technut1990

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    Where do liberals go to learn this thought process ? You cannot argue that the system promotes racial bias low income and disproportionate poverty on one hand and then say that the system is bias because whites pay less in taxes when tax breaks are given.

    Its one or another. If minorities are poor disproportionately then it makes complete since that whites will be the benefactors of tax breaks since whites, under your thought process, are the ones paying the taxes.

    But to directly answer your question, yes I'm totally fine with it. You can say the things you say if you desire but the fact is that if whites are paying more then the tax breaks will lower more whites taxes than any other group. Again, you have to pay to get the break
     
  9. WreckinGT

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    Everyone is paying taxes, giving a disproportionately larger cut to those who need it the least while driving up the deficit isn't beneficial to anyone except really really rich white people who are apparently struggling to live with only a few hundred million in the bank.

    This is one subject I wish Democrats were better at attacking. Republicans know the tax cut was awful, that is why you don't even hear them talk about it anymore even in an election year. For some reason though Democrats can't figure out how to tell the American people just how screwed they were with the whole deal.
     
  10. MikeJackets1967

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    Great November 6th Election ad by the Republican National Committee:cool:
     
  11. Technut1990

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    Where do you get your info ?

    Everyone does not pay taxes ! There are people who effectively get refunds because their deductions put them into a non tax category even though they earned income.

    The tried argument of the rich whites get all the breaks is total BS. You are envious of rich people. Any argument that says anyone, regardless of wealth, should pay more is a false argument . If you pay 10% on 50,000 and a millionaire pays 5% on 2 million he still pays more than you do. And the rates are clearly higher on the rich even in Trumps tax brackets.

    The only way anyone’s else salary or wealth could possibly be of any concern to you is if you feel they should pay your bills. Otherwise them having money has nothing but good benefits for society. Them paying 2% on their millions is more than you or I will ever pay in our life times, on our comparatively meaningless income. The democrat tax plan is nothing but yet another way to get votes. The argument that those mean old white rich people won’t share their money always promises to win the naive minority and poor vote. It never fails. The benefits provided to the poor and disable are by far funded via the taxes collected on the top 1% but that means nothing to you.

    Your argument fails any math test. A millionaire paying any percentage will always pay more than any other income level in this country. Even if they pay 2/10th of a %
     
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  12. WreckinGT

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    My mistake, you are right. There are some that don’t pay taxes, like really poor people, Amazon, and Donald Trump. I’m not envious of rich people. I have no desire to be rich at all. I do have a desire to see a functioning society, which I don’t think is going to happen if we keep drastically cutting taxes for the rich while pretty much ignoring the working middle class. It’s not a numbers game. Sure by raw dollar amounts, the rich pay more. That doesn’t mean we should cut their taxes evenly or give them even bigger cuts by percentage. Unless you are arguing for getting rid of our progressive tax system and going to a flat tax which I’m sure you know will cripple our economy almost instantly.
     
  13. Technut1990

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    Wreck,

    The US taxes code clearly disproportionately collects from the rich and comfortable and always has. Even when just over 4% of the population, they still pay 80% of the tax revenue. They easily fund the vast majority of all expenditures. This doesn’t even count local and sales taxes, sales taxes being the only true equal tax, dollar for dollar.

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    It’s also very interesting g to me that liberals/socialist yell about the tax system while they benefit directly from the trillions paid into it by the rich each year.

    I make less than less than $100,000 ( not gonna say exactly ) so I’m not anywhere near rich but the difference between you and I is that I don’t think anything, including money, is inherently there for the governments taking — for any reason.

    Taxes themselves are the very definition of socialism. They began as an effort to fund the civil war and of course stuck around ever since, yet the call continues —- more more more. The tax system alone is responsible for the dissipating drive of self initiated improvement. I get that people need help and have no issue assisting in the help but now liberals have turned into the self perpetuating cry of not enough. everyone looks at it through their personal lense, which will always lead them to believe they have to pay to much. The call for someone else to absorb the burden is understandable but totally self absorbed and lacking in facts and overall perspective
     
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    You know one of those, and no kidding here, was "Jesus" and the address was "Heaven Street".
    While it would be nice for him to vote, I am willing to bet that he'd expect that his registration to vote would be done legally.
     
  17. GT_EE78

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    It's much older than that. Making the tax system more efficient is why the English forced people to adopt surnames back in the middle ages. ever wonder why that country in so many wars? Some groups hate to admit it that 70% of their deaths each year is caused by tax payer funded abortion.
     
  18. MikeJackets1967

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    I went and early voted for the November 6th Election here in Polk County Tennessee and it was a big crowd:cigar::cool:
     
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    As I recall taxes have been around as a method to fund "government" for about 7000 years.

    Old proverb, "can't have small government and big defense at same time".
     
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    The ACA was officially killed tonight and declared unconstitutional. The last step to save it is if they appeal, it will go to the Supreme Court. To survive, SCOTUS has to agree to hear the case and must overrule.

    The underlying logic behind declaring it unconstitutional is essentially that the government cannot force someone to buy a product or service (imagine that).

    Kavanaugh could get his first real big test soon.
     

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