Nc State Postgame

[stinger78]

Yeah, I can't imagine this is the case. Source? It was third down at midfield and out of field goal range. If Key really told the team to let him score, then I have even more serious questions about his game management skills than I did before.

Wow, make up a slant and go with it. LOL. Go listen to his interview with 680 The Fan and hear what he said for yourself.

 

[cpf2001]

I do know this. The choice to score with that much time left instead of going down and bleeding the clock to kick a game winning field goal didn't work. I don't think playing scared works very often. Just like playing prevent defense. Another way of playing scared.

“Don’t take the touchdown because the defense will give up a 90 second TD” sounds like playing scared itself.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Hindsight is wonderful, but the 53 yard TD probably cost NC State the game.

Exactly. Hindsight. At the time he scored I think almost everyone in the stadium were either sure we had lost the game or were worried we had lost the game. Tech’s comeback was unexpectedly marvelous.

 

[stinger78]

Yeah, I can't imagine this is the case. Source? It was third down at midfield and out of field goal range. If Key really told the team to let him score, then I have even more serious questions about his game management skills than I did before.

Check out Key’s interview with 680 The Fan “The Locker Room,” at the 7:00 mark. It’s in the NCSU Media thread. Please let me know if you take away anything different. Thanks.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

I do know this. The choice to score with that much time left instead of going down and bleeding the clock to kick a game winning field goal didn't work. I don't think playing scared works very often. Just like playing prevent defense. Another way of playing scared.

You don’t take points off the board when you’re behind based on some future scenario in your head. You just don’t.

I guarantee you that when NCState scored no Tech fan said, “Wow, we just won the game with that boneheaded play!”

 

[Northeast Stinger]

“Don’t take the touchdown because the defense will give up a 90 second TD” sounds like playing scared itself.

Bingo. You take the lead and turn the game over to your defense to win the game.

Besides, as often as NCState turned the ball over and gifted Tech with TDs, they were probably glad to get their offense off the field with a lead.

 

[Natehosch]

No, A HEALTHY King gives us the best chance to win. We can't win without even the threat to pass. Miami didn’t prepare for what we did but clearly NC State did and you saw the result. Us not scoring was not Philo's fault. Receivers have to catch the ball. If anything, running the two quarterback plan slowed our offense down because it was too predictable. They were well prepared for our running game . We should have led with Philo starting and King coming in as needed.

I 100% Agree , but even with a hurt King it Opens up Jamal a ton because philo is clearly handing off the ball on the read plays . Also Philo did have guys drop it . but he also had 2-3 close calls that should have been picks . just dont like a freshman vs uGA . Kirby will send the house . bottom line if we don't run the ball we wont win anyway .

 

[gtee91]

I thought it was supposed to be Blackburn?

Mayne so...either way I am not seeing them used as I expected...so I assume the coaches have a reason

 

[GT33]

You don’t take points off the board when you’re behind based on some future scenario in your head. You just don’t.

I guarantee you that when NCState scored no Tech fan said, “Wow, we just won the game with that boneheaded play!”

This GT fan said "I'd have slid on the 5. They gave us an awful lot of time to score a TD". This GT fan also said after Philo's TD "I hope we don't do something dumb like kick the KO out of bounds. They have 22 secs to get a FG, I'm nervous because this is not in the bag". I was so happy they returned the squib kick 5 yds and it took 6 secs. Not so happy about the next 16 secs.

 

[bobongo]

Bingo. You take the lead and turn the game over to your defense to win the game.

Besides, as often as NCState turned the ball over and gifted Tech with TDs, they were probably glad to get their offense off the field with a lead.

I agree in this particular situation, but it did occur to me as he scored that it's probably a good thing because it leaves us with 1:30 to come back.
I would rather him score a TD with 1:30 left than them to kick a field goal with 0:30 left.

 

[CPJacket]

I 100% Agree , but even with a hurt King it Opens up Jamal a ton because philo is clearly handing off the ball on the read plays . Also Philo did have guys drop it . but he also had 2-3 close calls that should have been picks . just dont like a freshman vs uGA . Kirby will send the house . bottom line if we don't run the ball we wont win anyway .

When our offense was really rolling it was because we had a "triple option". Haynes King is still a great thrower of the football so teams had to prepare for his legs and his arms, which freed up the rushing lanes for Jamal. He doesn't possess that threat anymore so the rushing lanes are not open for Jamal. We saw that last night. In order for us to be successful we need Philo to command the offense which include the zone reads. Philo grew up a lot last night and I think with his new found confidence he will be even better against Georgia.

 

[BonafideJacket]

Wow, make up a slant and go with it. LOL. Go listen to his interview with 680 The Fan and hear what he said for yourself.

Bro, I didn't make up anything. You literally wrote "Key indicated we let the guy score." It's the only place I've seen this so I'm asking where it came from. I'll go listen myself and hope you misconstrued it somehow.

ETA: Just listened. It sounded like he was proud of the guys for having the "wherewithal" during the play to let Smothers score once he broke free downfield which I agree with. I thought you were saying Key made the call to let them score prepay rather than try to stuff them at the LOS. It's a pretty important nuance that I completely missed in your original post.

 

[GoJacketsInRaleigh]

Can someone tell me why NC State went for 2 on their last TD,

Too lazy to look if someone already replied but up 6 gives them a chance if we score and miss the PAT. If they kick to go up 5, then all we need is the TD. If they miss the 2, they are up 4 and we still need a TD.

 

[GT33]

Bro, I didn't make up anything. You literally wrote "Key indicated we let the guy score." It's the only place I've seen this so I'm asking where it came from. I'll go listen myself and hope you misconstrued it somehow.

Key said wtte "...once he broke thru the line our guys knew not to tackle him short of goal line" because he only had 1 timeout left. He didn't say ... "Just let him score a TD"

 

[stinger78]

Bro, I didn't make up anything. You literally wrote "Key indicated we let the guy score." It's the only place I've seen this so I'm asking where it came from. I'll go listen myself and hope you misconstrued it somehow.

Please get back with me. I am interested in my comprehension skills. Thanks for humoring me.

 

[deeznats]

I don’t think that’s what he meant. You can listen to it and see what you think.

Pretty sure that's what he meant. He specifically said if we could stop them short, we would tackle. But if they got past the line to let them go all the way. They had 2 timeouts and the ability to end the game.

 

[stinger78]

Pretty sure that's what he meant. He specifically said if we could stop them short, we would tackle. But if they got past the line to let them go all the way. They had 2 timeouts and the ability to end the game.

Yes, but once he broke through to let him score. Am I missing something here?

My initial reply was not to quote Key word for word, but to say we let the guy score - which I think is a true statement.

 

[BonafideJacket]

Yes, but once he broke through to let him score. Am I missing something here?

My initial reply was not to quote Key word for word, but to say we let the guy score - which I think is a true statement.

I added an edit to my original post, but to clear it up - you guys are right in that the decision to let him score was during the play after he broke free rather than pre-play - an important distinction I didn't pick up on in the original post.

 

[bobongo]

Pretty sure that's what he meant. He specifically said if we could stop them short, we would tackle. But if they got past the line to let them go all the way. They had 2 timeouts and the ability to end the game.

Brilliant move, and probably gave us our best chance to win the game, but I'm not so sure it's a good idea to reveal our tactics. Maybe it would have been better to have left unsaid...

 

[forensicbuzz]

I think it's defined as how Efford hit the ball carrier. He's our guy and I'm rooting for him, but if that wasn't targeting, idk how the rule is supposed to be called.
I think back years ago to Richard Sherman mugging Julio in mid air and the ref going....

Targeting has moved the crown of the helmet back to the original description of crown...think spearing. So, targeting is now spearing to the head or neck area with a launch. Not only didn't Efford hit with the crown of the helmet, he didn't launch. The rules have been tightened up because there was too much "targeting" called in the past. It's about intent to injure as much as it is the specifics of the rule.