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<blockquote data-quote="forensicbuzz" data-source="post: 836801" data-attributes="member: 198"><p>Interesting that you put all these 16 stats up but didn't include Sims's for comparison. I'll assume that was an oversight.</p><p></p><p>Let's break down your list. 16</p><p></p><p>Players with 3+ years in the program <strong>8</strong> (i.e. Covid Sophomore or RS Sophomore or Covid RS Sophomore): Daniel Richardson, Kaleb Eleby, Jaren Hall, Grason McCall, Sam Hartman, K.J. Jefferson, Devin Leary, Spencer Rattler. (some of these kids are in their 4th year in the program)</p><p></p><p>16 - 8 = 8; So half of your list weren't 1st or 2nd-year players.</p><p></p><p>Top25 teams <strong>3</strong>: Caleb Williams, OKLAHOMA (#2 ranked QB, #7 overall), C. J. Stroud OHIO STATE (#2 ranked QB, #42 overall), Bryce Young ALABAMA (#1 QB, #2 overall). </p><p> Just for comparison Jeff Sims (#10 QB, #223 overall)</p><p></p><p>8 - 3 = 5; Do we need to talk about playing behind the OL's at these three schools or the other support they get?</p><p></p><p>So, you came up with 5 Fr/So that had better statistics than Jeff Sims. That's what I asked for. Wait...I said statistics, not just passing statistics. Let's look at all the numbers</p><p></p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><td><strong>QB</strong></td><td><strong>Att</strong></td><td><strong>Comp</strong></td><td><strong>Comp%</strong></td><td><strong>Yards</strong></td><td><strong>TD</strong></td><td><strong>INT</strong></td><td><strong>Sacks</strong></td><td><strong>Rush</strong></td><td><strong>Rush TD</strong></td></tr><tr><td>Sims</td><td>150</td><td>92</td><td>57.2</td><td>1274</td><td>11</td><td>6</td><td>8</td><td>380</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td>Van Dyke</td><td>161</td><td>102</td><td>62.6</td><td>1488</td><td>12</td><td>4</td><td>17</td><td>31</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>Nolan</td><td>168</td><td>107</td><td>63.7</td><td>1504</td><td>19</td><td>9</td><td>8</td><td>206</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td>Johnson</td><td>264</td><td>162</td><td>61.4</td><td>2009</td><td>20</td><td>5</td><td>18</td><td>-3</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td>De Laura</td><td>251</td><td>160</td><td>63.7</td><td>1967</td><td>17</td><td>7</td><td>7</td><td>78</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td>Henigan</td><td>227</td><td>138</td><td>60.8</td><td>2153</td><td>16</td><td>4</td><td>13</td><td>47</td><td>0</td></tr></table><p></p><p>Looking at these stats, an argument could be made that you haven't provided 5 1st or 2nd year QB's with better overall stats. Also, Henigan is playing against G5 defenses most every week.</p><p></p><p>Nolan (#1 QB, #29 overall), Van Dyke (#7 QB, #222 overall), Johnson (#10 QB, #253 overall), de Laura (#16 QB, #462 overall); Henigan (#78 QB, #1203 overall)</p><p></p><p>But let's not lose sight of the conversation. Sims is young and is making young mistakes. He's improving and I expect continued improvement as he gets older and more experienced. He's not the best, but he's not supposed to be the best. At least 5 of the 8 legitimate 1st or 2nd year QB's on this list were supposed to be "better" than him. Looking at his stats, I'd say he's done better than his #10 ranking.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="forensicbuzz, post: 836801, member: 198"] Interesting that you put all these 16 stats up but didn't include Sims's for comparison. I'll assume that was an oversight. Let's break down your list. 16 Players with 3+ years in the program [B]8[/B] (i.e. Covid Sophomore or RS Sophomore or Covid RS Sophomore): Daniel Richardson, Kaleb Eleby, Jaren Hall, Grason McCall, Sam Hartman, K.J. Jefferson, Devin Leary, Spencer Rattler. (some of these kids are in their 4th year in the program) 16 - 8 = 8; So half of your list weren't 1st or 2nd-year players. Top25 teams [B]3[/B]: Caleb Williams, OKLAHOMA (#2 ranked QB, #7 overall), C. J. Stroud OHIO STATE (#2 ranked QB, #42 overall), Bryce Young ALABAMA (#1 QB, #2 overall). Just for comparison Jeff Sims (#10 QB, #223 overall) 8 - 3 = 5; Do we need to talk about playing behind the OL's at these three schools or the other support they get? So, you came up with 5 Fr/So that had better statistics than Jeff Sims. That's what I asked for. Wait...I said statistics, not just passing statistics. Let's look at all the numbers [TABLE] [TR] [TD][B]QB[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Att[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Comp[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Comp%[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Yards[/B][/TD] [TD][B]TD[/B][/TD] [TD][B]INT[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Sacks[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Rush[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Rush TD[/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Sims[/TD] [TD]150[/TD] [TD]92[/TD] [TD]57.2[/TD] [TD]1274[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]380[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Van Dyke[/TD] [TD]161[/TD] [TD]102[/TD] [TD]62.6[/TD] [TD]1488[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]17[/TD] [TD]31[/TD] [TD]1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Nolan[/TD] [TD]168[/TD] [TD]107[/TD] [TD]63.7[/TD] [TD]1504[/TD] [TD]19[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]206[/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Johnson[/TD] [TD]264[/TD] [TD]162[/TD] [TD]61.4[/TD] [TD]2009[/TD] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]-3[/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]De Laura[/TD] [TD]251[/TD] [TD]160[/TD] [TD]63.7[/TD] [TD]1967[/TD] [TD]17[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]78[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Henigan[/TD] [TD]227[/TD] [TD]138[/TD] [TD]60.8[/TD] [TD]2153[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]13[/TD] [TD]47[/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Looking at these stats, an argument could be made that you haven't provided 5 1st or 2nd year QB's with better overall stats. Also, Henigan is playing against G5 defenses most every week. Nolan (#1 QB, #29 overall), Van Dyke (#7 QB, #222 overall), Johnson (#10 QB, #253 overall), de Laura (#16 QB, #462 overall); Henigan (#78 QB, #1203 overall) But let's not lose sight of the conversation. Sims is young and is making young mistakes. He's improving and I expect continued improvement as he gets older and more experienced. He's not the best, but he's not supposed to be the best. At least 5 of the 8 legitimate 1st or 2nd year QB's on this list were supposed to be "better" than him. Looking at his stats, I'd say he's done better than his #10 ranking. [/QUOTE]
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