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<blockquote data-quote="Lee" data-source="post: 803305" data-attributes="member: 786"><p>I think this is a ridiculous statement. I'll show why below.</p><p></p><p>Let's start with Jones. I was 5 when he was playing in 1990 so I can't say I remember him playing. What I do want to do is compare his 2nd year (3rd year at GT and NC year) stats to Jeff Sims true freshman (with little to no Spring, no Summer and an abbreviated Fall due to Covid) stats.</p><p></p><p>3rd year Jones: 142-245 (58% completion) for 2008 yards. 13 TD/12INTs. He rushed 91 times for 277 yards and 6 TDs.</p><p>1st year Sims: 141-257 (54.9% completion) for 1881 yards. 13TD/13 INT's. He rushed 120 times for 492 yards and 6 TDs.</p><p></p><p>Those seasons are not significantly different in my opinion. Both threw a bunch of picks and the same amount of TDs. Jones had more yard passing and Sims more on the ground. Sims also did this with one less game. One guy won a National Championship. The other won 3 games and lost to Clemson 73-7. Do you think QB play was the determining factor in either season?</p><p></p><p>To follow that up, Jones regressed in his Junior season, throwing 7 more INTs than TDs. Did the coaching change in between 90-91 for him at QB?</p><p></p><p>Let's look at Justin Thomas next. From 2014 to 2015 he had ~400 less yards passing, completed 10% less of his passes, threw 5 less TDs, and threw 2 more INTs. He also rushed for 600 less yard and over 2 YPC less. Was this a coaching issue? I think not. Was he a worse player? Nope. Sometimes when all the pieces around you aren't there, you feel like you have to do more than you do and can regress from a statistical and decision making standpoint.</p><p></p><p>Lastly, let's look at Nesbitt. He was in his 3rd year. He did make big improvements from year 1 in the offense to year 2. He also had 2 NFL runnings backs, 3 future NFL wide receivers (1 first round and 1 second round), and at least one future NFL OL. Not to mention he had multiple long time NFL players on the defensive side of the ball.</p><p></p><p>To sum up, I think Sims will be improved, but to measure that by our record compared to the teams you mentioned is not fair. If our offensive line is improved, my guess is Sims will look a lot better even if he hasn't improved himself. There are a lot of other factors that go into it as well. </p><p></p><p>I'm not saying he's getting or not getting the coaching he needs, but to make an assumption on his improvement based on the team's record is crazy IMO. Even if you're just basing it on stats alone, it doesn't tell the story (see JT).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lee, post: 803305, member: 786"] I think this is a ridiculous statement. I'll show why below. Let's start with Jones. I was 5 when he was playing in 1990 so I can't say I remember him playing. What I do want to do is compare his 2nd year (3rd year at GT and NC year) stats to Jeff Sims true freshman (with little to no Spring, no Summer and an abbreviated Fall due to Covid) stats. 3rd year Jones: 142-245 (58% completion) for 2008 yards. 13 TD/12INTs. He rushed 91 times for 277 yards and 6 TDs. 1st year Sims: 141-257 (54.9% completion) for 1881 yards. 13TD/13 INT's. He rushed 120 times for 492 yards and 6 TDs. Those seasons are not significantly different in my opinion. Both threw a bunch of picks and the same amount of TDs. Jones had more yard passing and Sims more on the ground. Sims also did this with one less game. One guy won a National Championship. The other won 3 games and lost to Clemson 73-7. Do you think QB play was the determining factor in either season? To follow that up, Jones regressed in his Junior season, throwing 7 more INTs than TDs. Did the coaching change in between 90-91 for him at QB? Let's look at Justin Thomas next. From 2014 to 2015 he had ~400 less yards passing, completed 10% less of his passes, threw 5 less TDs, and threw 2 more INTs. He also rushed for 600 less yard and over 2 YPC less. Was this a coaching issue? I think not. Was he a worse player? Nope. Sometimes when all the pieces around you aren't there, you feel like you have to do more than you do and can regress from a statistical and decision making standpoint. Lastly, let's look at Nesbitt. He was in his 3rd year. He did make big improvements from year 1 in the offense to year 2. He also had 2 NFL runnings backs, 3 future NFL wide receivers (1 first round and 1 second round), and at least one future NFL OL. Not to mention he had multiple long time NFL players on the defensive side of the ball. To sum up, I think Sims will be improved, but to measure that by our record compared to the teams you mentioned is not fair. If our offensive line is improved, my guess is Sims will look a lot better even if he hasn't improved himself. There are a lot of other factors that go into it as well. I'm not saying he's getting or not getting the coaching he needs, but to make an assumption on his improvement based on the team's record is crazy IMO. Even if you're just basing it on stats alone, it doesn't tell the story (see JT). [/QUOTE]
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