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<blockquote data-quote="IEEEWreck" data-source="post: 37240" data-attributes="member: 617"><p>Well, I think that engaging in some Socratic questions can help get to the bottom of this sort of thing. Ask them how an athlete that passes classes can devalue the degree. Now, if you're talking to administration, they more or less have to admit that passing is the only legitimate measure of student academic performance to the Institute. Other people may spout dumb bs about how really smart kids from [insert rich county here] aren't getting in, and these athletes are. Those people should be mocked. Well, not really, but you should point out that they are equating a certain background with success at Tech. I hate to say it, friends, but smart, special snowflakes from all over flunk out on DiffEQ's every day at Tech. Plus, given Tech's transfer policies if you want to be here bad enough, you can be. </p><p></p><p>Once they concede that athletes do at least as well as the worst to whom GT is willing to hand a diploma, the argument collapses rapidly. </p><p></p><p>Potential issues with 'sliding by' would require cheating by a)coaches b)professors and c)tutors. Is academic integrity really in such a poor state that we can't put athletes in classes and both trust that they're really passing and have some means of verifying that people aren't cheating by at GT? That the best way we have of making sure that I'm not going to cheat my way though Tech is to examine my high school classes once when I'm being admitted?</p><p></p><p>So yes, there is a way to give wider room for athletic admissions without compromising our degree quality or integrity. </p><p></p><p>In fact, were I speaking to administration about this, I'd cite my deep emotional investment in the institute because of the idea of a brotherhood arising out of adversity. Part of what makes Tech so great is that unlike MIT or Harvard or Stanford where cultural belonging ties to roots in the surrounding culture's symbols of wealth and power, our culture centers on passing, surviving, and getting out. Football is very much a key part of that culture because it exemplifies how Georgia Tech students refuse to be pushed into traditional 'Nerd' roles. Sure, we play D&D and eat cheetos with the best of em, but a Tech engineer cannot be pigeon holed like that. Because we do both we remain unique and powerful. To abandon that is to abandon the dream of economic transformation for Georgia and the World upon which GT was founded. </p><p></p><p>Maybe I should write a letter to the Technique about this. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Also, GTMan, I hear that student VIP classes are working on making a working decibel meter that can compare stadium sections. Ya'll should check that program out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="IEEEWreck, post: 37240, member: 617"] Well, I think that engaging in some Socratic questions can help get to the bottom of this sort of thing. Ask them how an athlete that passes classes can devalue the degree. Now, if you're talking to administration, they more or less have to admit that passing is the only legitimate measure of student academic performance to the Institute. Other people may spout dumb bs about how really smart kids from [insert rich county here] aren't getting in, and these athletes are. Those people should be mocked. Well, not really, but you should point out that they are equating a certain background with success at Tech. I hate to say it, friends, but smart, special snowflakes from all over flunk out on DiffEQ's every day at Tech. Plus, given Tech's transfer policies if you want to be here bad enough, you can be. Once they concede that athletes do at least as well as the worst to whom GT is willing to hand a diploma, the argument collapses rapidly. Potential issues with 'sliding by' would require cheating by a)coaches b)professors and c)tutors. Is academic integrity really in such a poor state that we can't put athletes in classes and both trust that they're really passing and have some means of verifying that people aren't cheating by at GT? That the best way we have of making sure that I'm not going to cheat my way though Tech is to examine my high school classes once when I'm being admitted? So yes, there is a way to give wider room for athletic admissions without compromising our degree quality or integrity. In fact, were I speaking to administration about this, I'd cite my deep emotional investment in the institute because of the idea of a brotherhood arising out of adversity. Part of what makes Tech so great is that unlike MIT or Harvard or Stanford where cultural belonging ties to roots in the surrounding culture's symbols of wealth and power, our culture centers on passing, surviving, and getting out. Football is very much a key part of that culture because it exemplifies how Georgia Tech students refuse to be pushed into traditional 'Nerd' roles. Sure, we play D&D and eat cheetos with the best of em, but a Tech engineer cannot be pigeon holed like that. Because we do both we remain unique and powerful. To abandon that is to abandon the dream of economic transformation for Georgia and the World upon which GT was founded. Maybe I should write a letter to the Technique about this. Also, GTMan, I hear that student VIP classes are working on making a working decibel meter that can compare stadium sections. Ya'll should check that program out. [/QUOTE]
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