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<blockquote data-quote="RonJohn" data-source="post: 817691" data-attributes="member: 2426"><p>You can look at revenue and expenses by year of athletic associations that report the information:</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances[/URL]</p><p></p><p>Not all of the private schools report, and a few states don't require that public schools report, so it isn't everybody. However, in terms of athletic revenue, WVU is 40th out of Division 1 schools. They pull in about $17 million more that GT, but you also need to consider that the payouts from the Big12 in 2019 averaged about $40 million and the ACC averaged about $30 million. If you take the difference in conference revenue, WVU had about $7 million more in revenue than GT. $7 million more is nice, but it isn't conference changing.</p><p></p><p>You also need to consider what revenue WVU could bring to the ACC, not what revenue WVU has for themselves. Currently, the biggest revenue increase would still come from television markets. The ACCN gets a small amount for TV subscribers around the country, but a bigger amount for TV subscribers inside of ACC schools broadcast areas. I know people will say that streaming is the future, but if WVU joins now, they will get a cut of the pie now. If they join now and bring the 175th TV market in the US to the table, that does not add anywhere near enough to the pie to take a 1/15th or 1/16th cut.</p><p></p><p>I would turn it around and ask you point blank: What revenue does WVU add TO THE CONFERENCE (not to themselves) that would justify giving them 1/15th of the ACC revenue?</p><p>I would also ask: If they are going to possibly add some additional revenue 10 years down the road, is the chance that they might add revenue sometime in the future worth making the gap larger in media payouts to each school between the ACC and SEC?</p><p></p><p>If you have ideas on how WVU can add revenue to the ACC pool right now, please tell me what they are because I don't see any. If you can't provide concrete ideas for how WVU adds the the ACC revenue pool right now, then why is it odd that I say they don't bring enough to justify adding them?</p><p></p><p>Iowa State has a similar football history, and a very large following. They are an AAU member. They would add the 68th, 90th, and 103rd TV markets. Kansas is bad at football, but they are an AAU member, and they would add the 32nd and 144th TV markets. Both of those Big12 members would add more immediate revenue to the ACC than WVU. Both of those schools have more in common with the ACC than WVU.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RonJohn, post: 817691, member: 2426"] You can look at revenue and expenses by year of athletic associations that report the information: [URL unfurl="true"]https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances[/URL] Not all of the private schools report, and a few states don't require that public schools report, so it isn't everybody. However, in terms of athletic revenue, WVU is 40th out of Division 1 schools. They pull in about $17 million more that GT, but you also need to consider that the payouts from the Big12 in 2019 averaged about $40 million and the ACC averaged about $30 million. If you take the difference in conference revenue, WVU had about $7 million more in revenue than GT. $7 million more is nice, but it isn't conference changing. You also need to consider what revenue WVU could bring to the ACC, not what revenue WVU has for themselves. Currently, the biggest revenue increase would still come from television markets. The ACCN gets a small amount for TV subscribers around the country, but a bigger amount for TV subscribers inside of ACC schools broadcast areas. I know people will say that streaming is the future, but if WVU joins now, they will get a cut of the pie now. If they join now and bring the 175th TV market in the US to the table, that does not add anywhere near enough to the pie to take a 1/15th or 1/16th cut. I would turn it around and ask you point blank: What revenue does WVU add TO THE CONFERENCE (not to themselves) that would justify giving them 1/15th of the ACC revenue? I would also ask: If they are going to possibly add some additional revenue 10 years down the road, is the chance that they might add revenue sometime in the future worth making the gap larger in media payouts to each school between the ACC and SEC? If you have ideas on how WVU can add revenue to the ACC pool right now, please tell me what they are because I don't see any. If you can't provide concrete ideas for how WVU adds the the ACC revenue pool right now, then why is it odd that I say they don't bring enough to justify adding them? Iowa State has a similar football history, and a very large following. They are an AAU member. They would add the 68th, 90th, and 103rd TV markets. Kansas is bad at football, but they are an AAU member, and they would add the 32nd and 144th TV markets. Both of those Big12 members would add more immediate revenue to the ACC than WVU. Both of those schools have more in common with the ACC than WVU. [/QUOTE]
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