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Under Bernie Biden's America, what I said will come true.
I’m just glad I’m not as paranoid as you. The pendulum always swings too far but it will swing back. We will be different, hopefully in ways that are beneficial, but we will not be marxist or communist or a true socialist state.
 

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I think to say that there will "probably be a vaccine" is very hopeful, but probably also somewhat naive. We all HOPE there will be one, but how effective and lasting it will be are both totally unknown factors at this point, even if one is developed. I find it impractical to live my life simply based on a hope, that may never be realized, or at least still be a long way off.
So how does that affect how you're personally dealing with coronavirus right now?
Are you taking reasonable steps to try to avoid it? If so, you're doing the same thing I'm doing - avoiding it, and marking time.
 

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I am not sure why people keep using the "well other countries are underreporting Covid data" defense when trying to defend the US's Covid numbers. It'a pretty well accepted that the United States is in the same "underreporting" boat as many countries unless someone is just flat out ignoring reality about how awful the US has handled all of this:


Models only reflect the preconceptions of the designers. The models were wrong in February. They are wrong today. The numbers are fine in the US. It's already been proven that the numbers are being padded by counting deaths "with" coronavirus, and counting one sick person every time they take a test as multiple cases.
 

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Models only reflect the preconceptions of the designers. The models were wrong in February. They are wrong today. The numbers are fine in the US. It's already been proven that the numbers are being padded by counting deaths "with" coronavirus, and counting one sick person every time they take a test as multiple cases.

Please explain how the US numbers are "fine". Every metric by any reputable source points to the US as anything but "fine".

If you have a reputable source showing the US is "fine" please share it with the rest of us.

The US is doing so "fine", there are now less than 20 countries in the world that will allow US travelers into their country without restrictions.
 

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Please explain how the US numbers are "fine". Every metric by any reputable source points to the US as anything but "fine".

If you have a reputable source showing the US is "fine" please share it with the rest of us.

The US is doing so "fine", there are now less than 20 countries in the world that will allow US travelers into their country without restrictions.

Cases and deaths are inflated. Any "metric" using those numbers are inflated. And, why should we care what countries allow US travelers?

On the first Wednesday in November, either K'rona will disappear, or there will be the biggest outbreak that this galaxy has ever seen.
 
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So how does that affect how you're personally dealing with coronavirus right now?
Are you taking reasonable steps to try to avoid it? If so, you're doing the same thing I'm doing - avoiding it, and marking time.
Since I am retired and basically a lazy azz, my life is not substantially different now from what it was before, other than that I now wear a mask when I go out. But I do still go out, and I do still engage in the same activities I did before. I am in the high-risk older-age group, but I haven't even had a case of the common cold in more than 20 years, so I just refuse to live my life in fear.
 

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It’s not obnoxious. You keep claiming we had a plan and you know we didn’t. As for the numbers, I don’t need to calculate them, they are already there for everyone to see. The U.S. is 11th worst in the world in deaths per capita and rising. 6 of the 44 countries in Europe are above us in deaths per capita. Only 2 are above us in cases per capita. Explain to me how 38 out of 44 being better than us is not most. And good luck even hanging on to that position. While we are going back over a thousand deaths per day, guess how many France reported yesterday. Zero. Germany also reported zero deaths and hasn’t had more than 10 deaths in the last two weeks. God those countries are doing terrible.

You’re just trolling, which is against the site rules. I never said we had a plan. You asked what the definition of flattening the curve was and I gave it to you. Then you said I made up that phrase and that I’m out here touting some plan. What? What is wrong with you?
 

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I am not sure why people keep using the "well other countries are underreporting Covid data" defense when trying to defend the US's Covid numbers. It'a pretty well accepted that the United States is in the same "underreporting" boat as many countries unless someone is just flat out ignoring reality about how awful the US has handled all of this:


Because Italy, Spain, France, Brazil, and many other countries have each said that thousands and thousands of people died of COVID at home uncounted. Has the United States said that? Do we have any proof that’s happening? So when all the main countries in Europe ha e worse numbers than we do, and they all admit to worse data purity than we have, it is what it is. The State of Florida tests more than they do in huge entire countries over there like France. My cousin lives on the U.K. and was sick with COVID for 17 days. She never was able to get a test, so nobody in her family counts. The world is a mess, it’s high time we stop ****ting on our own selves.
 
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Yeah cause we’re exactly like Venezuela.
We may certainly be on our way to becoming like that country if the ideas voiced by many, both in and out of positions of power, are adopted here. And don't say it couldn't happen, because I am sure the people of Venezuela once said the same thing, and it didn't take long for the country to fall.
 

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27,000 Coronavirus-Linked Deaths Have Gone Uncounted in U.S., Study Estimates


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Counting excess deaths—defined as deaths above the baseline seen in previous years during the same time period—from all causes is often considered a more accurate way to measure the fatal impact of a newly emerged and widespread disease, since the official toll can miss people who weren’t diagnosed before they died. Initially, doctors and scientists can have trouble identifying or confirming deaths caused by a new disease, either due to a lack of familiarity with its symptoms, no available tests to confirm a diagnosis, or simply because the disease wasn’t known to exist in that area at the time.

Scientists did quickly create a relatively accurate test for the coronavirus that causes covid-19 after its discovery in China late last year. But the U.S. federal government’s delayed and flawed response left states without testing readily available for months once the pandemic started to pick up steam in March. The lack of testing also hindered attempts to recognize and contain the earliest outbreaks in states like New York and Washington, which further enabled its spread. It’s now thought that the virus was circulating locally in the U.S. as early as January.

In this new study, published in JAMA Internal Medicine, researchers tried to calculate excess deaths across the country from March 1 to May 30.

Between those months, 95,235 deaths were officially attributed to covid-19 in most of the U.S. But the authors calculated, based on comparing deaths this year to other recent years, that there were likely 122,300 excess deaths during that time, about 28% higher than the official count of covid-19 deaths. That leaves about 27,000 deaths above the normal March-May baseline in the U.S., which suggests the virus has killed many more people than the official count says.
 

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27,000 Coronavirus-Linked Deaths Have Gone Uncounted in U.S., Study Estimates


From the article:
Counting excess deaths—defined as deaths above the baseline seen in previous years during the same time period—from all causes is often considered a more accurate way to measure the fatal impact of a newly emerged and widespread disease, since the official toll can miss people who weren’t diagnosed before they died. Initially, doctors and scientists can have trouble identifying or confirming deaths caused by a new disease, either due to a lack of familiarity with its symptoms, no available tests to confirm a diagnosis, or simply because the disease wasn’t known to exist in that area at the time.

Scientists did quickly create a relatively accurate test for the coronavirus that causes covid-19 after its discovery in China late last year. But the U.S. federal government’s delayed and flawed response left states without testing readily available for months once the pandemic started to pick up steam in March. The lack of testing also hindered attempts to recognize and contain the earliest outbreaks in states like New York and Washington, which further enabled its spread. It’s now thought that the virus was circulating locally in the U.S. as early as January.

In this new study, published in JAMA Internal Medicine, researchers tried to calculate excess deaths across the country from March 1 to May 30.

Between those months, 95,235 deaths were officially attributed to covid-19 in most of the U.S. But the authors calculated, based on comparing deaths this year to other recent years, that there were likely 122,300 excess deaths during that time, about 28% higher than the official count of covid-19 deaths. That leaves about 27,000 deaths above the normal March-May baseline in the U.S., which suggests the virus has killed many more people than the official count says.

Another model done in a spreadsheet. This is like when they estimated thousands of people died in the hurricane in Puerto Rico despite not having any bodies to point to.

To be clear, this study is Fake News. It says the deaths are “linked to Coronavirus”, despite the fact it’s not. These could be people not seeking treatment for strokes and heart attacks, and all kinds of things.

Contrast this to Europe, where officials state they know of thousands and thousands of people who died at home uncounted, as they had no room in hospitals and no tests available. You can google that and find tons of articles. And THAT is real and not a model in a spreadsheet.

And by the way by the way, as Navy has shown us, it’s more like 100,000 excess deaths on top of the coronavirus, so they can’t even get that right LOL.
 

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They were once a very wealthy country with rich natural resources. That’s pretty much gone to hell with socialism. If you think it can’t happen here, you’re crazy. It’ll be a slower slide to get there, no doubt, but we creep that way a little each year.

Fun fact - our debt to GDP ratio is 2x the number in Venezuela. And that’s even including our Monopoly money illegal accounting machinations where we don’t include unfunded liabilities.
 

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They were once a very wealthy country with rich natural resources. That’s pretty much gone to hell with socialism. If you think it can’t happen here, you’re crazy. It’ll be a slower slide to get there, no doubt, but we creep that way a little each year.
If you are seriously comparing Venezuela to the US you clearly haven’t looked at their history. They have been ruled by strongmen and suffered from coups pretty much since their independence.
 

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Cases and deaths are inflated. Any "metric" using those numbers are inflated. And, why should we care what countries allow US travelers?

On the first Wednesday in November, either K'rona will disappear, or there will be the biggest outbreak that this galaxy has ever seen.

Let's make this clear so people can digest your responses: You make a statement, offer no refuteable proof outside of your own opinion, and we're suppose to believe it?

OK.
 
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