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Huh, one of the Secretary of Commerce’s functions is trade policy.

https://www.commerce.gov/about

Now regarding your high regard for civil servants, yes, there are many fine ones. Leaders in their field, experts, etc. Great Americans, no doubt. Unfortunately they operate in a system designed by, for and for the sole purpose of sustaining civil service jobs. With that comes bureaucrats sucking the oxygen out of what should be exemplary organizations.

Look no further than coronavirus test kit readiness & deployment failures. Massive pooch screwing during a time when their nation needed them the most, they perpetuated preserving their rice bowls, covering their butts, etc instead of serving the people in need.
 

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Huh, one of the Secretary of Commerce’s functions is trade policy.

https://www.commerce.gov/about

Now regarding your high regard for civil servants, yes, there are many fine ones. Leaders in their field, experts, etc. Great Americans, no doubt. Unfortunately they operate in a system designed by, for and for the sole purpose of sustaining civil service jobs. With that comes bureaucrats sucking the oxygen out of what should be exemplary organizations.

Look no further than coronavirus test kit readiness & deployment failures. Massive pooch screwing during a time when their nation needed them the most, they perpetuated preserving their rice bowls, covering their butts, etc instead of serving the people in need.
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Mods, if this is too much funny stuff for this thread, feel free to move it to the funny stuff thread, but it just seems appropriate here ---
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But you're way, way wrong about career civil servants, especially in scientific fields. The federal government has the highest concentration of expertise of any organization in the country. That expertise is further hemmed in by the regulations it enforces and the consensus of scientific opinion. What you are thinking about (I think) are the political appointees that take over as administrations shift. They very often - especially in one administration we know - know next to nothing about what the agencies they are supposed to be directing are doing. It often takes years to get them up to speed as well. (An example: Wilbur Ross took over as Commerce Secretary under the impression that he would be running the agency responsible for trade policy. Instead of, you know, the agency in charge of gathering and reporting most of the nation's statistics. Trade policy is handled out of the White House.) So, yes, giving them the power we have is a mistake and a bad one. But the federal civil service line employees are, in general, well trained and expert in their fields. True, that means they get in people's faces regularly. That's their job. Governments exist to regulate.
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Finally somebody stands up for civil servants. We forget: they are us.
 

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And before it goes off the rails as it will, this has been a thread that states opinions while not calling names or engaging in raging partisanship. I have actually enjoyed reading the views I might disagree with. And my BP didn't spike.
 

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Just an FYI for everyone who is overly concerned....

“Early estimates of the coronavirus death rate from China, the epicenter of the outbreak, have been around 2 percent. But a new report on 1,099 cases from many parts of China, published on Friday in The New England Journal of Medicine, finds a lower rate: 1.4 percent. The coronavirus death rate may be even lower, if — as most experts suspect — there are many mild or symptom‐free cases that have not been detected. The true death rate could turn out to be similar to that of a severe seasonal flu, below 1 percent, according to an editorial published in the journal by Dr. Anthony S. Fauci and Dr. H. Clifford Lane, of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and Dr. Robert R. Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”
 
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That is absurd beyond even cultish belief. Any vaccine must be vetted and tested or it might kill more than a virus. It must be approved for U.S. use and even Trump cannot order it distributed. That is Trump the reality tv host strutting about.
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Yea you’re onto something there chief. We’re gonna roll out a vaccine that isn’t legit. Lol. Way to think it through. Trump is the devil, right? Lmao
 
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Skeptic said:
Finally somebody stands up for civil servants. We forget: they are us.
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We all know there’s tons of outstanding Americans in civil service. Problem is unlike business where the inefficient & incompetent are run off (God forbid if someone works at a company that doesn’t) or they bankrupt their company compelling changes, it’s damn near impossible to cashier an incompetent government employee or a bad government operation/program. They just chum along expecting the taxpayer to fund their form of welfare squandering resources while needy programs/services go unfunded.
 
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You are me.

It's scary how so many here think that if you beleive Trump and his admin are buffoons you totally must be anti-Republican, anti-Conservative, leftist DIMocrat. Fact is, I have never voted for a federal Democrat in my lifetime of voting (28 years). I have locally, but never on the big stage - Didn't vote for any Clinton, nor Obama. I would have loved a decent Repub candidate in 2016 but we got two real POSs both of whom I didn't vote for. The Republican party today is nothing I can recognize anymore - it is Trump or nothing.
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I realize I may be bypassing 40+ pages of discussion to say this but I just had to point out how much I agree with this statement. I am on the other side as a lifelong Democrat, but it is a dream of mine to one time have a presidential election where just once I have to choose between two candidates for good reasons. Sadly, I think that the 2012 election is likely the closest I will ever get.
 

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Another few hundred cases in South Korea, most European countries, and here.

Per capita, we are still well below almost everyone else (most countries are at a 50-100,000 equivalent positive case number). When you look across the varied responses by all the countries and how they all still ended up in the same spot basically, that tells me we’ll end up there too. And based on being unable and unwilling to test people, we are probably well on our way.
 

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fairweatherhater said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Lots of good info (haha!) here. Up to date for all countries.

As a side note, China's response has been remarkable assuming their Government is being honest with the numbers. South Korea is showing the Western world how to get it done in a free society where quarantine is unlikely to be successful.
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South Korea’s population equivalent cases is 50,000 and new daily cases is 500 (ours is 3,500 and 450). I think they are a big reason we are doing what we are doing. Look at how good they appear to be doing, yet still look at the numbers.
 
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I know the Commies are behind this, but I’m beginning to think they’re colluding with the divorce attorneys. No sports, kids out of school, college students at home, wives freaking out about toilet paper, eggs, cleaning supplies, hand sanitizer, etc. Now they’re shutting down the bars & restaurants. If they shutdown work, this may be the crisis that does me in. I always thought it was going to be GT football.
 
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I think it's simple.

Let people do what they want. For those that want to continue to get together in large crowds at bars and restaurants, and get together in large public gatherings...go for it. If you choose to do so, you need to sign a waiver that if you do indeed catch the virus and need serious medical attention or medical resources, you will be at the mercy of availability of the hospital and resources. You have to wait for space/resources that goes first to the people that followed the rules.

As long as people understand the dangers, acknowledge the treatment or resources that they are giving up to those that follow the rules, hey, let them have fun and live life like they usually do. Something tells me that if you hold people's feet to the carpet they will take this a LOT more seriously.
 
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