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<blockquote data-quote="lv20gt" data-source="post: 833090" data-attributes="member: 2299"><p>We all want that. It's a matter of time frame. </p><p></p><p>Bennett's first 4 years were </p><p></p><p>15-16 (5-11)</p><p>16-15 (7-9)</p><p>22-10 (9-7) NCAA R64.</p><p>23-12 (11-7) NIT QF</p><p></p><p>In year 5 he did go 30-7 (16-2) and make the sweet 16 which started the streak of finishing top 2 in the ACC in all but 1 years since. </p><p></p><p>Pastner's first 5 years</p><p></p><p>21-16 (8-10) NIT runner up</p><p>13-19 (6-12)</p><p>14-18 (6-12)</p><p>17 - 14 (11-9) (Post season ban, dunno where we would have gone, probably NIT if i had to guess))</p><p>17 - 9 (11-6) NCAA R 64</p><p></p><p>That really isn't all that dissimilar of a a pace with the exception of Pastner's first year being so good and then going down. However my opinion is that was caused partially by some bad luck with injuries the following year but also the success in year 1 coming from surprising teams with a weird defensive scheme and an offense that could slow the pace and be somewhat effective. I think teams caught on in year 2 and we didn't get the same advantage as the year prior. </p><p></p><p>And I'm not saying we're poised to be the next Virginia. Bennett will almost certainly go down as one of, if not the, top coaches of his generation. The path to that level of play is to situation by situation to project. But even he had a first several years that were a build up. </p><p></p><p>One thing I found interesting, because I had never really bothered to look at late 00s UVA basketball recruiting for some reason...., was that UVA recruited pretty well prior to Bennett being there despite Leitao not being that well thought of. Here were the classes UVA had leading up to, and including the transition class of 08, Bennett. </p><p></p><p>08 - two 4* and two 3*</p><p>07 - two 4*s and two 3*s</p><p>06 - two 4*s one 3* and two 2*s</p><p>05 - three 3 *s</p><p></p><p>Now that isn't the full picture of the inherited roster but in total they had Landesburg, Scott, Tucker, Jones, Tat as 4 *s with some inherited experience with Farrakhan and Zeglinski. </p><p></p><p>To compare, here are the similar classes for Pastner's first year. </p><p></p><p>16 - three 3*s</p><p>15 - one 3 *</p><p>14 - one 4* and two 3*s</p><p>13 - two 3*s </p><p></p><p>Again, that isn't the full picture but it gives a decent comparison. I'd certainly argue that Pastner inherited a weaker roster, and especially helps explain why the rebuild took longer. </p><p></p><p>IMO despite some of the bumps in the road, I think if you aren't excited about the direction of GT basketball at the moment that is less of Pastner needing to prove himself to you, and more a matter of you changing your thinking.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lv20gt, post: 833090, member: 2299"] We all want that. It's a matter of time frame. Bennett's first 4 years were 15-16 (5-11) 16-15 (7-9) 22-10 (9-7) NCAA R64. 23-12 (11-7) NIT QF In year 5 he did go 30-7 (16-2) and make the sweet 16 which started the streak of finishing top 2 in the ACC in all but 1 years since. Pastner's first 5 years 21-16 (8-10) NIT runner up 13-19 (6-12) 14-18 (6-12) 17 - 14 (11-9) (Post season ban, dunno where we would have gone, probably NIT if i had to guess)) 17 - 9 (11-6) NCAA R 64 That really isn't all that dissimilar of a a pace with the exception of Pastner's first year being so good and then going down. However my opinion is that was caused partially by some bad luck with injuries the following year but also the success in year 1 coming from surprising teams with a weird defensive scheme and an offense that could slow the pace and be somewhat effective. I think teams caught on in year 2 and we didn't get the same advantage as the year prior. And I'm not saying we're poised to be the next Virginia. Bennett will almost certainly go down as one of, if not the, top coaches of his generation. The path to that level of play is to situation by situation to project. But even he had a first several years that were a build up. One thing I found interesting, because I had never really bothered to look at late 00s UVA basketball recruiting for some reason...., was that UVA recruited pretty well prior to Bennett being there despite Leitao not being that well thought of. Here were the classes UVA had leading up to, and including the transition class of 08, Bennett. 08 - two 4* and two 3* 07 - two 4*s and two 3*s 06 - two 4*s one 3* and two 2*s 05 - three 3 *s Now that isn't the full picture of the inherited roster but in total they had Landesburg, Scott, Tucker, Jones, Tat as 4 *s with some inherited experience with Farrakhan and Zeglinski. To compare, here are the similar classes for Pastner's first year. 16 - three 3*s 15 - one 3 * 14 - one 4* and two 3*s 13 - two 3*s Again, that isn't the full picture but it gives a decent comparison. I'd certainly argue that Pastner inherited a weaker roster, and especially helps explain why the rebuild took longer. IMO despite some of the bumps in the road, I think if you aren't excited about the direction of GT basketball at the moment that is less of Pastner needing to prove himself to you, and more a matter of you changing your thinking. [/QUOTE]
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