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<blockquote data-quote="TheTechGuy" data-source="post: 761758" data-attributes="member: 2702"><p>In the 20 years prior to Monken’s hire at Army, they had 4 different coaches. 3 of them had never had a head coaching job before, 3 of them have not been a head coach since, and one of them hadn’t been a head coach in 13 years before getting the job. The lone coach who has been a head coach since (Todd Berry) went 29-45 at Louisiana Monroe. Does that say more about Army’s football program? Or the coaches leading it? None of their coaches before Monken had been head coaches in the decade before they got the job.</p><p></p><p><strong>This really just underscores the fact that the program was a disaster before Monken. </strong></p><p></p><p>Temple is currently sitting at 1-5. They went 8-5 last year, after going 8-5 and 7-6 with CGC. Their two 10 win seasons in 2015 and 2016 were on the back of a QB who was a 4 year starter and a 3000 yard passer. We’ve established on this board that college football runs through QB play. CGC was able to field decent teams after losing their best player, and his records haven’t been bested since.</p><p></p><p><strong>And Temple fans should be concerned, similar to how many Tech fans are concerned. Using the logic of many posters on this board, I wonder if Temple fans are complaining that CGC left a bare cupboard. Recall, there was a contingent of Temple fans concerned about CGC before we hired him. </strong></p><p></p><p>Once again, I don’t see any way someone can definitely say Monken was more successful as a coach at the point of his career that CGC is currently in. Monken’s best years at Army were also on the backs on QBs who were 1000 yard rushers. CPJ had 3 QBs who ran for 1000 yards in his GT career; Taquan Marshall in 2017, Justin Thomas in 2014, and Josh Nesbit in 2009. 2 of those players and teams played for ACC championships. Just food for thought.</p><p></p><p><strong>Setting aside the fact that you've ignored Monken's success at Southern, where he immediately turned a team that was 5-6 the year prior (that ran a different offense) into an immediate playoff contender at the FCS level, I just think you're overestimating the absolute dumpster that was Army football. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Note that our discussion began after you made a sarcastic critique of Monken. It has since meandered over to an early-Collins vs early-Monken comparison. This is likely b/c comparing Monken's head coaching resume to Collins' doesn't fare well for Collins. That's fine, and I think you agree with that point. It's also true that Collins could explode onto the scene and have great years, and that would make me just as happy as you. Though, at this time, I haven't seen much to convince me that will happen, but I do think we'll beat Duke on Saturday. Hope I'm not wrong. </strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheTechGuy, post: 761758, member: 2702"] In the 20 years prior to Monken’s hire at Army, they had 4 different coaches. 3 of them had never had a head coaching job before, 3 of them have not been a head coach since, and one of them hadn’t been a head coach in 13 years before getting the job. The lone coach who has been a head coach since (Todd Berry) went 29-45 at Louisiana Monroe. Does that say more about Army’s football program? Or the coaches leading it? None of their coaches before Monken had been head coaches in the decade before they got the job. [B]This really just underscores the fact that the program was a disaster before Monken. [/B] Temple is currently sitting at 1-5. They went 8-5 last year, after going 8-5 and 7-6 with CGC. Their two 10 win seasons in 2015 and 2016 were on the back of a QB who was a 4 year starter and a 3000 yard passer. We’ve established on this board that college football runs through QB play. CGC was able to field decent teams after losing their best player, and his records haven’t been bested since. [B]And Temple fans should be concerned, similar to how many Tech fans are concerned. Using the logic of many posters on this board, I wonder if Temple fans are complaining that CGC left a bare cupboard. Recall, there was a contingent of Temple fans concerned about CGC before we hired him. [/B] Once again, I don’t see any way someone can definitely say Monken was more successful as a coach at the point of his career that CGC is currently in. Monken’s best years at Army were also on the backs on QBs who were 1000 yard rushers. CPJ had 3 QBs who ran for 1000 yards in his GT career; Taquan Marshall in 2017, Justin Thomas in 2014, and Josh Nesbit in 2009. 2 of those players and teams played for ACC championships. Just food for thought. [B]Setting aside the fact that you've ignored Monken's success at Southern, where he immediately turned a team that was 5-6 the year prior (that ran a different offense) into an immediate playoff contender at the FCS level, I just think you're overestimating the absolute dumpster that was Army football. Note that our discussion began after you made a sarcastic critique of Monken. It has since meandered over to an early-Collins vs early-Monken comparison. This is likely b/c comparing Monken's head coaching resume to Collins' doesn't fare well for Collins. That's fine, and I think you agree with that point. It's also true that Collins could explode onto the scene and have great years, and that would make me just as happy as you. Though, at this time, I haven't seen much to convince me that will happen, but I do think we'll beat Duke on Saturday. Hope I'm not wrong. [/B] [/QUOTE]
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