3TO or just an option play off the DE?

Longestday

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I found the following play interesting. The play starts with a miss direction AB motion. There is a mesh for the BB, but as I look at the play, the only person not blocked is the DE. Can it be a 3TO if there is only one person not blocked.

The DE is clearly looking at the QB, which would indicate a give to the BB. Tim keeps, takes a step, and pitches. The LB is clearly blocked. The real question is this a missed read by Byerly or is the BB not really an Option?

 

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it's misread on the mesh. Looks like the QB blew the dive read. Normally, you're coached to just follow the b back into the hole, but he pitched instead


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Nope, it's a double option.

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Dang, you're right, thats confusing. I think part of the confusion is that both the backside LB and the safety blitz themself out of the play, so it's tough to get a read on who the pitch read is really supposed to be
 

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It's Midline predetermined pitch. Midline rarely has a pitch as an possibility. The reason it was called, is that SAM LB is sucking in on midline because there usually is not a pitch. When it's predetermined, you can dedicate blockers to the edge that you normally can't due to reading the play.
 

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Midline has a pitch option? Midlines normally have an AB that lead up the hole right? That would be the motioning pitch AB.
 

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It is a midline triple option. He is reading the DT and the DE is the pitch key. They run the midline triple, midline lead, and the midline twirl.

Yep. I agree with this. The counter motion by the PS Aback is also part of the mid-veer as I've seen it diagrammed. Good catch. The quick pull-pitch is typical since you often have 2 unblocked guys at the los playside.
 

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Wow... Did Tevin run any midline 3TOs? I don't recall many plays like this play.

I think I remember the twirls.
 

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It's got a "crack" tag on it as well. No doubt it predetermined. Very rarely will a midline have a pitch that is not predetermined. We ran this play vs FSU in '09 when their safeties were chasing a back motion. Dwyer had a long TD run although it may have been veer out of the same motion.
 

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I would much rather see a full arsenal of midlines/midline 3TOs/3TOs/Counter options/BB traps/Rocket Toss/AB counters with perfect timing and good blocking assignment follow through than diamond formations.

Think you're gonna get your wish buddy.
Pretty sure the diamond is scrapped.
 

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It's got a "crack" tag on it as well. No doubt it predetermined. Very rarely will a midline have a pitch that is not predetermined. We ran this play vs FSU in '09 when their safeties were chasing a back motion. Dwyer had a long TD run although it may have been veer out of the same motion.
I think this is right, actually.
 

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It's got a "crack" tag on it as well. No doubt it predetermined. Very rarely will a midline have a pitch that is not predetermined. We ran this play vs FSU in '09 when their safeties were chasing a back motion. Dwyer had a long TD run although it may have been veer out of the same motion.

The midline lead/double responfs to heavy pursuit of the outside. I think that's what you recall. The midline triple/pull-pitch can be predetermined but need not be. If so, it would be used to counter aggressive attacks on the inside,
 

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Yep. I agree with this. The counter motion by the PS Aback is also part of the mid-veer as I've seen it diagrammed. Good catch. The quick pull-pitch is typical since you often have 2 unblocked guys at the los playside.

Personally i would have said this was a veer because of the fact he is readin the tackle and the end is his pitch key.....
 

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It's got a "crack" tag on it as well. No doubt it predetermined. Very rarely will a midline have a pitch that is not predetermined. We ran this play vs FSU in '09 when their safeties were chasing a back motion. Dwyer had a long TD run although it may have been veer out of the same motion.
The "crack tag" refers to the WR crack back blocking the olb. The WR and A back are switching blocking assignments.
 

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Personally i would have said this was a veer because of the fact he is readin the tackle and the end is his pitch key.....

I don't understand this post. Are you agreeing with me? At first it sounds like you are disagreeing with me, saying it's an [inside] veer or our standard triple-option. However, your because clause seems to agree with me (DT as HOK and DE as PK) that it's the midline triple-option, sometimes called the mid-veer.

Did you mean to write "wouldn't" instead of "would" because you believed that by "mid-veer" I meant inside veer?
 
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