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That team needed a miracle to beat a bad Auburn team, beat a 4-8 Arkansas team by 3 points, struggled against USF, lost by 10 at home to Texas, and beat A&M by less than a TD. They aren't the dominant Bama squad from 5-10 years ago.

ESPN is controlling the process for the SEC. Even before the games started yesterday they were heavily pushing the Alabama over FSU narrative. Travis getting injured just allowed a convenient excuse to allow Bama to jump them. Bama was going to jump them even if Travis was healthy. FSU never had...

Against the 8th toughest schedule in the country he won 4 games, and lost 5 other one score games. That is already better than anything Collins ever did. Nevermind the massive increases in revenue and exposure he has brought that Collins couldnt even hope to match. The rest you said is...

Im way more on the fence about Deion but he brings more than people give him credit for. Yes, he is a walking circus and he gets substantially more heat when the team isn't playing well. He also generated record donations, sold out season tickets, created the highest priced tickets in the...

Let me ask you this. Lets say Brent Key takes over 1 win Colorado. He has the 8th toughest schedule in the country the following year. Do you think he would have done substantially better than Deion did?

Both had some progress. Both should have had more in my opinion.

In one year he went from 1 win to 4 wins, and went from losing by 29 points per game on average to losing by less than a TD on average. Against common opponents he improved from losing by ~30 points a game with no wins to losing by 8 points a game with 2 wins. Frankly, I think he should have...

Can you explain what the trip is for beating UGA? Are you expecting us to build talent equal to theirs? Are you expecting us to significantly out coach them? They are always going to have umpteen 5 stars to our zero 5 stars. We have to take advantage of games where they are banged up, turning...

No moral victories. With the talent disparity between our programs we really only have a chance when they play poorly in general or have multiple players out with injuries. We had both of those tonight and we blew it.

Why should any negative post incite a mob? It just doesn't seem like a logical or reasonable reaction to an internet post you don't like. I figured some people would disagree, and there were some good posts refuting my points, but 10 more telling me how awful of a fan I am, how unhappy and sad...

Listen, ill leave after this. Mods can delete my account if they want, I don't really care. But you guys need to learn how to handle opinions that may differ from yours. We all have different opinions on the state of the program. You guys blew up this thread with nonsense because you couldn't...

Other teams aren't winning much more than us isn't a very convincing argument for why we should be happy with mediocrity. The argument that we should be happy with pretty much any level of results because most teams in the ACC aren't very good is a David Braine level of depressing. We went to 20...

Its a tricky point spread. If they jump out to a big lead early then they will probably start sitting guys to rest up for next week. I doubt they will use Bowers all that much as well after he came off the field last week limping.

If we have good talent and a great coaching staff then I don't think it is unreasonable to expect more than 7 wins. If we fall below that then I do think it's a bit of a failure by the team and coaching staff. Assuming we don't get ravaged by NIL.

If we have already mailed it in against 4 teams we play regularly then maybe I will pick another team. Im not saying we should beat all of those teams all of the time but getting wins against them every once in a while shouldn't be impossible. Clemson lost to Duke, Miami, and NC St. FSU was...

Nah. There is a pretty large range between 6-6 and 15-0. 8-4 would be a pretty good season and what I would expect in year two with the talent we have.

I know who we started the season with and who we ended it with. We went 5-7 last year. We went 4-4 down the stretch, looked like we had a pulse against UGA, and probably would have done even better if we were luckier with injuries. We hired a coach partially because of those results. Why is it...

The problem is we went 5-7 last year. Not 0-12. Easily could have made a bowl game just by beating UVA and probably would have had Pyron not gotten hurt. Im not sure why it is controversial to think that building on that momentum and adding a really good QB probably should have resulted in...

Eh, the heat is fine. My only original point was that I was on these boards in the Johnson days. I was on other boards for the Gailey days. Those days winning 6 games was basically expected. Nobody ever celebrated 6 wins. If we only got 6 wins we would question most things about the program and...

This is dumb. All of the talk of joy and being miserable is just you guys projecting your own desired emotions onto other people. You have no idea what I feel, nor is it relevant. I actually feel fine tonight if you must know. Im just disappointed with tonight's performance and the season in...