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<blockquote data-quote="FredJacket" data-source="post: 1001226" data-attributes="member: 2843"><p>This all started (as usual) with a general debate over whether CDH is a good coach (or not)? Has his time passed (or not)? Could we have done better with someone different (or not) over the last 15 years or so? There is a spectrum of opinions and no consensus; but for sake of the discussion, I'll generalize that there seem to be 2 groups that engage on this.</p><p></p><p>Group 1: CDH's record speaks for itself. He's the winningest active head coach in D1 baseball because he WINS. Period. The lack of post-season success can be attributed to lots of things.</p><p>And assuming "anybody" could have his regular season record (and get to post-season)... and that his post-season record is clear evidence he's not 'good enough'... well, those ideas flies in the face of his actual record as a coach. [I happen to be of this mindset ..Group 1]</p><p></p><p>Group 2: The post-season is what really matters...or needs the scrutiny. After ALL these years, CDH and Ga Tech baseball should have been more consistent in getting out of regionals/supers. He's achieved the minimum expectations over the years on that front; and that isn't good enough. Omaha only twice... and 1st time was his 1st season... (minimal credit for that)</p><p></p><p>I agree with [USER=822]@Squints[/USER] ... nobody is suggesting "luck" is the main factor or even a significant one. His word "variance" (compared to other sports) is a much better word. Baseball ... and particularly college baseball's postseason... generates a lot of outcomes that are not aligned with a statistical expectation.</p><p></p><p>I happen to believe 2 things are true. 1) CDH is all I'd want in a coach. His record and success speak for themselves. An unknown "other option" (for me) could easily have resulted in a much worse record and fan experience for me. 2) The lack of success in the post-season is a result of the variance of college baseball and other factors less in his control than others seem to think.</p><p></p><p>Entering 2024, his record at Ga Tech was 1170-632 (.650)</p><p></p><p>Ga Tech has consistently won [1.95] out of 3 games under Coach Hall. I suppose some may think that does not make him a good coach. I can't help you there. So... assuming that IS a good/great job coaching baseball in the ACC for 30 years... let's continue. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>In order to advance out of a regional, you need a better winning % over that weekend than 65%. You have to go 3-0 (1.000), 3-1 (.750), or 4-1 (.800)... depending on how it plays out. </p><p></p><p>In order to advance to the CWS from the SR, you don't actually need to be that good compared to regional, just 2-0 or 2-1... still greater than 65%.</p><p></p><p>My only point there is in order to advance in the post-season, a team MUST win at a high rate... its not a coin flip. </p><p></p><p>I understand how some would say this makes Group 2's point for them... HOW is it possible for Ga Tech to fail to advance as much as it has? I just don't see it that way. While I hate it and I "want it to be different" ... with college baseball the way it is... it is not CRAZY for a very good team and a very good coach to have the outcomes Ga Tech has. It is frustrating and difficult to accept but not (imo) obvious evidence the problem is CDH.</p><p></p><p>ETA... not asking people to pick sides. My generalizing on "camps" was to make my points... nothing more.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FredJacket, post: 1001226, member: 2843"] This all started (as usual) with a general debate over whether CDH is a good coach (or not)? Has his time passed (or not)? Could we have done better with someone different (or not) over the last 15 years or so? There is a spectrum of opinions and no consensus; but for sake of the discussion, I'll generalize that there seem to be 2 groups that engage on this. Group 1: CDH's record speaks for itself. He's the winningest active head coach in D1 baseball because he WINS. Period. The lack of post-season success can be attributed to lots of things. And assuming "anybody" could have his regular season record (and get to post-season)... and that his post-season record is clear evidence he's not 'good enough'... well, those ideas flies in the face of his actual record as a coach. [I happen to be of this mindset ..Group 1] Group 2: The post-season is what really matters...or needs the scrutiny. After ALL these years, CDH and Ga Tech baseball should have been more consistent in getting out of regionals/supers. He's achieved the minimum expectations over the years on that front; and that isn't good enough. Omaha only twice... and 1st time was his 1st season... (minimal credit for that) I agree with [USER=822]@Squints[/USER] ... nobody is suggesting "luck" is the main factor or even a significant one. His word "variance" (compared to other sports) is a much better word. Baseball ... and particularly college baseball's postseason... generates a lot of outcomes that are not aligned with a statistical expectation. I happen to believe 2 things are true. 1) CDH is all I'd want in a coach. His record and success speak for themselves. An unknown "other option" (for me) could easily have resulted in a much worse record and fan experience for me. 2) The lack of success in the post-season is a result of the variance of college baseball and other factors less in his control than others seem to think. Entering 2024, his record at Ga Tech was 1170-632 (.650) Ga Tech has consistently won [1.95] out of 3 games under Coach Hall. I suppose some may think that does not make him a good coach. I can't help you there. So... assuming that IS a good/great job coaching baseball in the ACC for 30 years... let's continue. :) In order to advance out of a regional, you need a better winning % over that weekend than 65%. You have to go 3-0 (1.000), 3-1 (.750), or 4-1 (.800)... depending on how it plays out. In order to advance to the CWS from the SR, you don't actually need to be that good compared to regional, just 2-0 or 2-1... still greater than 65%. My only point there is in order to advance in the post-season, a team MUST win at a high rate... its not a coin flip. I understand how some would say this makes Group 2's point for them... HOW is it possible for Ga Tech to fail to advance as much as it has? I just don't see it that way. While I hate it and I "want it to be different" ... with college baseball the way it is... it is not CRAZY for a very good team and a very good coach to have the outcomes Ga Tech has. It is frustrating and difficult to accept but not (imo) obvious evidence the problem is CDH. ETA... not asking people to pick sides. My generalizing on "camps" was to make my points... nothing more. [/QUOTE]
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