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<blockquote data-quote="takethepoints" data-source="post: 958656" data-attributes="member: 265"><p>Being effective at teaching is different at post-secondary institutions. It has to do with what the place is trying to do with students. </p><p></p><p>In high school, teachers work very hard to getting students to learn the basics. This means they do a lot to try to "engage" the students and get them through a curriculum. Indeed, they are <em>responsible</em> for turning out students - and the more the better - who can be called high school grads and recognized as such. This means that the students are pushed through classes where they are dragooned into learning. This works, sorta.</p><p></p><p>In post-secondary institutions, teachers have a different responsibility. They must credential students as having mastered a particular field of study in a manner consistent with professional standards. Doing this is largely up to the students themselves, as it will be for the rest of their lives. This means that the teaching has an element of "sink or swim" to it; if the students aren't going to study the subject closely on their own there's no way that the faculty can certify their credentials for society as a whole. (Btw, think of this as a method for decreasing information costs for society; those interested in hiring the students know the set of skills they are presumed to have.) Most faculty, even at an R1 school like Tech, are quite willing to help students learn, but it is <em>up to them</em>, just like it will be when they get out. I taught at a small liberal arts college that touted itself as a "teaching institution" and that's definitively the way we all felt about and treated the students. I sorta specialized in "engaging" my students and, believe me, they often weren't at all happy about the responsibility I placed on their shoulders when I did.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="takethepoints, post: 958656, member: 265"] Being effective at teaching is different at post-secondary institutions. It has to do with what the place is trying to do with students. In high school, teachers work very hard to getting students to learn the basics. This means they do a lot to try to "engage" the students and get them through a curriculum. Indeed, they are [I]responsible[/I] for turning out students - and the more the better - who can be called high school grads and recognized as such. This means that the students are pushed through classes where they are dragooned into learning. This works, sorta. In post-secondary institutions, teachers have a different responsibility. They must credential students as having mastered a particular field of study in a manner consistent with professional standards. Doing this is largely up to the students themselves, as it will be for the rest of their lives. This means that the teaching has an element of "sink or swim" to it; if the students aren't going to study the subject closely on their own there's no way that the faculty can certify their credentials for society as a whole. (Btw, think of this as a method for decreasing information costs for society; those interested in hiring the students know the set of skills they are presumed to have.) Most faculty, even at an R1 school like Tech, are quite willing to help students learn, but it is [I]up to them[/I], just like it will be when they get out. I taught at a small liberal arts college that touted itself as a "teaching institution" and that's definitively the way we all felt about and treated the students. I sorta specialized in "engaging" my students and, believe me, they often weren't at all happy about the responsibility I placed on their shoulders when I did. [/QUOTE]
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